…Is “I Am”… So, when Hazrat Eesa (AS) was preaching something like or to the the effect of, “I Am; is God…”, couldn’t that have been mistaken by the translators or an over-zealous, pious man to change “I Am; is God…” to something more like “I am god…”?..Just a thought…
Re: The meaning of Yahweh...
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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
...Is "I Am"... So, when Hazrat Eesa (AS) was preaching something like or to the the effect of, "I Am; is God....", couldn't that have been mistaken by the translators or an over-zealous, pious man to change "I Am; is God..." to something more like "I am god..."?...Just a thought...:)
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Possible.
Only those that were present know.
But doesn't it make you wonder why so many followed his goodness? He never claimed to be God. He once said..he was the son of man.
Catholics believe that he was/is the son of God. Not God himself exactly. A creation of God's holy spirit for man (my interpretation anyway) to teach us humility and forgiveness. A guide.
assalamoalikum 
yahweh is jewish or hebrew for god i believe, and hazrat esa’ were prophet of god not son of god, the evangelists made the ppl believe in that fact by changing the books when hazrat esa decended to the heavens
Insolent,
Why if Adam was God’s creation aren’t all people God’s children?
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insolent , Why if Adam was God's creation aren't all people God's children?
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there is no doubt in the fact that, we are all god's creation, but in islam its shirk to consider someone, equivalent of allah, relate someone as son or daughter or whateva against allah etc
in principal/theory we are allah i.e. god's children BUT we can't relate a prophet as a son of god, cos' god is a special being without family, relations etc, he is the 1 and he has no partners and he has no son
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there is no doubt in the fact that, we are all god's creation, but in islam its shirk to consider someone, equivalent of allah, relate someone as son or daughter or whateva against allah etc
in principal/theory we are allah i.e. god's children BUT we can't relate a prophet as a son of god, cos' god is a special being without family, relations etc, he is the 1 and he has no partners and he has no son
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Why not?
Certainly many muslims believe that son's/relatives of the prophet are Mohammad are blessed.
My argument is..if one believes in God. If one believes God is the creator of all mankind. If one understands that there has been only one mother and father for all mankind, than why argue about it?
And if God created us all. Aren't we all sons of God? All of us?
I don't think God discriminates........ If he did... he wouldn't have created so many different wonders.
Yehweh means God?
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Why not?Certainly many muslims believe that son's/relatives of the prophet are Mohammad are blessed.My argument is..if one believes in God. If one believes God is the creator of all mankind. If one understands that there has been only one mother and father for all mankind, than why argue about it?And if God created us all. Aren't we all sons of God? All of us?I don't think God discriminates........ If he did... he wouldn't have created so many different wonders.
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Certainly many muslims believe that son's/relatives of the prophet are Mohammad are blessed
ofcourse we believe that family members of prophet mohammed (s.a.w) and his closest companions (sahaba) are blessed but we don't take that belief a step to far........
My argument is..if one believes in God. If one believes God is the creator of all mankind. If one understands that there has been only one mother and father for all mankind, than why argue about it?And if God created us all. Aren't we all sons of God? All of us?I don't think God discriminates........ If he did... he wouldn't have created so many different wonders
"If one understands that there has been only one mother and father for all mankind, than why argue about it?"
y argue about it well the answer is pure simple cos' wat ur saying is wrong, wat are u talking about one mother and father, only allah no mother dude/dudess.
"And if God created us all. Aren't we all sons of God" >> i explained this before read carefully, i don't want to repeat myself.
from a personal point of view, i really don't know where this thread is headed even after clearing up ur query dude/dudess u still are talking about it, i said as much as i knew............
What brought you to the conclusion that God decided not to create sons or daughters?
I think he did. And he did it for a good reason.
Reason being? Mankind.
i never said that ur implying it, we are god's creations ( ritely said by lajawab) i believ in this fact tooo
We are not God's children...We are His creations...If we are His children that would mean he begot us...Same thing which confuses me about Christ being the son of God (Astaghfirullah)...They say they have the blood of Christ in the Vatican...So let's say we take a little of that blood and we genetically clone Jesus...If we are succesful, would that mean that God has DNA and genes?...Astaghfirullah...
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They say they have the blood of Christ in the Vatican...
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...and another untruth without a source from Lajawab....
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What brought you to the conclusion that God decided not to create sons or daughters?
I think he did. And he did it for a good reason.
Reason being? Mankind.
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In Quran, God clearly stated that He didn't take anyone for a son or daughter.
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And if God created us all. Aren't we all sons of God? All of us?...
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There is a difference between "creature" and "child".
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...and another untruth without a source from Lajawab....
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Guess what...Me and Jesus share the same blood type...Rare, but same...Maybe a test on the Shroud of Turin might reveal something...
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The chapel of the Holy Blood is actually a double chapel which can be visited on the 'Burg' square in Bruges. It was first constructed in the 12th century and promoted to the rank of Basilica in 1923. One can enter the church on the first floor where the Holy Blood is kept via the 'Steeghere' which is a beautifully decorated façade behind which a staircase leads to the first floor. The original façade was constructed in late-gothic and renaissance style in the 16th century. It was demolished in the aftermath of the French Revolution and later rebuild and slightly moved. The guild statues represent Flemish counts.The lower part is called the Basilius chapel. It has preserved its original Romanesque style from the 12th-13th century. On the left side of the choir is the former chapel of the clerks of the civil registry (1503) and on the right side one can see a statue of the Virgin from around 1300. The passage between the main nave and the sidechapel is decorated with a tympanum, which is a sculptured stone in half-relief, probably representing the baptism of St. Basilius.
The silver altar is the place where the relic is preserved during the week. The relic is shown to the public every Friday and every day from the 3rd to the 17th of May. Outside the chapel is the Holy Blood museum, which contains the shrine for the Holy Blood and other treasures belonging to the chapel.
Since you are too shy to link your source, here is the link. It can be clearly seen from the article that there is large doubt as to the blood being Jesus’ blood. It would be interesting to test the blood with DNA testing though.
Lajawab, bringing the discussion back to your original question: Could the writers of the books in the New Testament not be mistaken with Jesus’ words when preaching about “Yahweh” (I AM) being God.
Nowhere in the New Testament did any writer state that Jesus said, “I am God”. This alone refutes your question.
What Jesus DID say, was * before Abraham was born, I am . He could have used the words “I was” if he wanted to indicate that he was around before Abraham. The Jews knowing that by his words he wanted to equate himself with God Almighty then wanted to stone him (the penalty for such a crime). (John.8v58) In John.5v18 Jesus AGAIN set himself up as equal with God. In John.10v33 the Jews yet again confirmed that they understood from Jesus’ words “ because you, a mere man, claim to be God *”. It therefor was not just Jesus’ disciples that thought Jesus equates himself with God Almighty, but also his enemies and everyone else.
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Nowhere in the New Testament did any writer state that Jesus said, “I am God”. This alone refutes your question.
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But this brings up another question. If Jesus(PBUH) never said that he is a God then why do Christians say that he is a God?
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It therefor was not just Jesus’ disciples that thought Jesus equates himself with God Almighty, but also his enemies and everyone else.
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Jesus's (PBUH) disciples and enemies THOUGHT that Jesus equated himself with God, while in reality Jesus(PBUH) never called himself God(as you yourself said). So does this mean that the Christians consider Jesus(PBUH) to be God just because they THINK that Jesus(PBUH) claimed to be a God.
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But this brings up another question. If Jesus(PBUH) never said that he is a God then why do Christians say that he is a God?
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Because:
- Jesus was prophesied as being God (Isa.9v5; 7v14)
- Jesus was called God according to his disciples (John.1v1)
- Jesus equated himself with God (John.8v58; 5v17)
- Jesus said he and God were one (John.10v30)
- People worshipped Jesus and he never corrected them (Matt.28v17)
- Jesus said he is the Almighty (Rev.1v8)
- Jesus is the Creator of all (John.Col.1v16)
- Jesus is the image of God (2Cor.4v4)
- Jesus will judge all that ever lived (John.5v22,27; Acts.10v42)
- The Tri-une God can only be understood if Jesus forms part of it.
BUT, no-where did Jesus use the exact words “I am God” as per the original Lajawab’s theory.
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Jesus's (PBUH) disciples and enemies THOUGHT that Jesus equated himself with God, while in reality Jesus(PBUH) never called himself God(as you yourself said). So does this mean that the Christians consider Jesus(PBUH) to be God just because they THINK that Jesus(PBUH) claimed to be a God.
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Jesus knew that the people understood he was equating himself with God and did not at any time try and dissuade them of the thought, silently accepting it as correct.
BTW, Christians don’t believe Jesus to be “a God” but part of the Almighty Tri-une God.
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There is a difference between "creature" and "child".
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But Changez_like,
Didn't God create us in his own image?