No comments at the style and dressing of PAKISTANI Actresses / Models.
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Happens in every culture but we make how people dress a bigger deal in ours imo.. I don't like the style of the some of the clothes but each to their own..
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Btw who is the guy with the hairdryer?
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To each their own, but these will be played on national media. Shouldn't this be condemned openly to let our next generations know that this is not our values and culture.
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Btw who is the guy with the hairdryer?
Ahsan Khan
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To each their own, but these will be played on national media. Shouldn't this be condemned openly to let our next generations know that this is not our values and culture.
I'm pretty sure that they know. If younger people follow this trend, it isn't because they don't know that it isn't traditional culture. It's more a case of wanting to emulate a different culture which they view as trendy. Honestly, I don't think open condemnation will have any effect as when people want to do something, they tend to find a way around obstacles. Also, open condemnation of something makes people more drawn to it.
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To each their own, but these will be played on national media. Shouldn't this be condemned openly to let our next generations know that this is not our values and culture.
Like Mish said I'm sure they know that already..
Haifa Wehbe and others run around in literally half what they're wearing lol but I don't see many Arabs posting comments like "shameless bloody b*tches"...
Don't know why it's ok for our men to wear suits but if the women choose to go western it becomes controversial.. I'm sure plenty of celebs at that event wore salwar khameez and eastern wear as well anyway.. I don't see anything wrong with people dressing in different ways..
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Here's the deal. Shock and awe sells. These people are paid to advertise themselves. Everyone can wear an HSY bridal gown, but it doesn't attract anymore attention anymore as much as someone wearing an HSY creation that shows a bit of the skin and curves. Look at the picture of Mathira. She's notorious for a reason. And every one, even expats that have no connection with Pakistan know her for her antics. So she sells herself really well. But, that same expat knows that that is not how the average person in Pakistan dresses to a fancy event, let alone lounge in the house.
People have been condemning what occurs in media and media related events for years. It wasn't considered a respectable job for any middle class person back when PTV was new. Now these same senior actors/actresses condemn the actions and behaviors of their juniors who are in the limelight, calling them unprofessional etc. Yet the way I see it, it was the behavior of the seniors that allowed the juniors to come into the industry and make a respectable name for themselves. So this isn't new. Everyone wants to separate themselves from what came before them, and what the next person to them is doing. So you see events like that and the costumes at such events. But does it matter who won what award and who wore what? I don't think so. No one is going to go to their darzi and ask for them to make what Mawra wore at falan falan award show. So I don't see it as a lost war. I see it another aspect of the same culture appearing. It shouldn't be shunned or made out to be the villain and pushed aside. It can easily co-exist side by side.
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I'm pretty sure that they know. If younger people follow this trend, it isn't because they don't know that it isn't traditional culture. It's more a case of wanting to emulate a different culture which they view as trendy. Honestly, I don't think open condemnation will have any effect as when people want to do something, they tend to find a way around obstacles. Also, open condemnation of something makes people more drawn to it.
I can't agree to this, as I've observed change in cultural attitudes myself. Our tolerance level has increased a lot to accommodate 'Sheela ki Jawani' and like stuff in our households. We felt very cool in condemning Zia ul Haq when he asked PTV's announcers wear dupatta, but probably now our tolerance level makes us feel conservative / orthodox, when we see such dresses on our national media.
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Like Mish said I'm sure they know that already..
Haifa Wehbe and others run around in literally half what they're wearing lol but I don't see many Arabs posting comments like "shameless bloody b*tches"...
Don't know why it's ok for our men to wear suits but if the women choose to go western it becomes controversial.. I'm sure plenty of celebs at that event wore salwar khameez and eastern wear as well anyway.. I don't see anything wrong with people dressing in different ways..
Western dresees were worn by Muhamamd Ali Jinah as well, but his dress neither broken any social code or Islamic ruling. Aren't many dresses in the link breaking such codes, if we speak truth ourselves?
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I can't agree to this, as I've observed change in cultural attitudes myself. Our tolerance level has increased a lot to accommodate 'Sheela ki Jawani' and like stuff in our households. We felt very cool in condemning Zia ul Haq when he asked PTV's announcers wear dupatta, but probably now our tolerance level makes us feel conservative / orthodox, when we see such dresses on our national media.
Right, but what I meant to say is that I'm sure that people are aware that western style gowns are not traditional attire. It's not a matter of not knowing. Also, in an age where many people have access to the internet (and bollywood where this style of clothing and even clothing that is more revealing is common), people will be exposed to it anyway if that is what they want. Where there is a will there's a way. I don't think condemning helps and actually has the opposite effect.
Also, from what I've seen, most people don't really emulate celebs in terms of dressing style as a) most people don't have that celeb physique lol and b) they don't live in an environment which would allow them to. I've read comments in the weddings section stating that short sleeve bridals or not wearing a dupatta is too revealing. It's not very likely that people will be rushing off to buy western gowns anytime soon. The media is rather like an alternate universe.
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Right, but what I meant to say is that I'm sure that people are aware that western style gowns are not traditional attire. It's not a matter of not knowing. Also, in an age where many people have access to the internet (and bollywood where this style of clothing and even clothing that is more revealing is common), people will be exposed to it anyway if that is what they want. Where there is a will there's a way. I don't think condemning helps and actually has the opposite effect.
You know what is more hypocrite about these Pakistani channels. They cried like anything, when Turkish dramas started getting popularity. This very channel ARY and many celebrities (including Humayun Saeed and Misha Shafi's mother Saba Hameed) said that these dramas are against our own culture. Now when they are presenting Pakistani viewers with such stuff, where does their sense of cultural modesty gone?
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To each their own, but these will be played on national media. Shouldn't this be condemned openly to let our next generations know that this is not our values and culture.
HUM TV award was also contradictory to Pakistani culture....
I'm pretty sure that they know. If younger people follow this trend, it isn't because they don't know that it isn't traditional culture. It's more a case of wanting to emulate a different culture which they view as trendy. Honestly, I don't think open condemnation will have any effect as when people want to do something, they tend to find a way around obstacles. Also, open condemnation of something makes people more drawn to it.
Adopting good things, tradition and values from different culture is positive and healthy activity.... ARY Film Award is unfortunately bigger failure....
Like Mish said I'm sure they know that already.. Haifa Wehbe and others run around in literally half what they're wearing lol but I don't see many Arabs posting comments like "shameless bloody b*tches"...
Don't know why it's ok for our men to wear suits but if the women choose to go western it becomes controversial.. I'm sure plenty of celebs at that event wore salwar khameez and eastern wear as well anyway.. I don't see anything wrong with people dressing in different ways..
I don't think.. any poster was intending to such extreme... The motive of the discussion is social and cultural values of Pakistan... posted article isn't confirming at large and showing quite opposite picture of Pakistani Culture and Value...
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Western dresees were worn by Muhamamd Ali Jinah as well, but his dress neither broken any social code or Islamic ruling. Aren't many dresses in the link breaking such codes, if we speak truth ourselves?
A lot of the desi attire is and was probably breaking a lot of the Islamic ruling. Just a few short years ago it was a big trend to have short "chaak" on top of short, very tight shirts, and tight pajamas in lieu of shalwars. That trend btw was also very common in the 60's and 70's. Lawns are absolutely thin to the extend that they can easily be see through. Capri pants/shalwars/pajamas were/are in, and when sitting those capris easily ride to the mid-shin length. However I never see anyone condemning those trends and instead justify them in retarded ways.
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You know what is more hypocrite about these Pakistani channels. They cried like anything, when Turkish dramas started getting popularity. This very channel ARY and many celebrities (including Humayun Saeed and Misha Shafi's mother Saba Hameed) said that these dramas are against our own culture. Now when they are presenting Pakistani viewers with such stuff, where does their sense of cultural modesty gone?
That is a very good point. The drama* Aşk-ı Memnu *received particularly harsh criticism as it depicted various western lifestyle behaviours, such as drinking, going out and clubbing, which people found objectionable. I think people also had a problem with the fact that it depicted female adultery in a rather casual manner (well, before the ending at least). Ironically though, it was still rather popular in Pakistan.
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A lot of the desi attire is and was probably breaking a lot of the Islamic ruling. Just a few short years ago it was a big trend to have short "chaak" on top of short, very tight shirts, and tight pajamas in lieu of shalwars. That trend btw was also very common in the 60's and 70's. Lawns are absolutely thin to the extend that they can easily be see through. Capri pants/shalwars/pajamas were/are in, and when sitting those capris easily ride to the mid-shin length. However I never see anyone condemning those trends and instead justify them in retarded ways.
chaak?
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A lot of the desi attire is and was probably breaking a lot of the Islamic ruling. Just a few short years ago it was a big trend to have short "chaak" on top of short, very tight shirts, and tight pajamas in lieu of shalwars. That trend btw was also very common in the 60's and 70's. Lawns are absolutely thin to the extend that they can easily be see through. Capri pants/shalwars/pajamas were/are in, and when sitting those capris easily ride to the mid-shin length. However I never see anyone condemning those trends and instead justify them in retarded ways.
That is the point. Tolerance shown on one front lead you to tolerate / compromise more things. British ruled us for more than 100 years, but a little minority of desis followed their dress code, especially ladies. But within 6 decades of independence, we really enjoyed freedom to break dress codes.
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That is a very good point. The drama* Aşk-ı Memnu *received particularly harsh criticism as it depicted various western lifestyle behaviours, such as drinking, going out and clubbing, which people found objectionable. I think people also had a problem with the fact that it depicted female adultery in a rather casual manner (well, before the ending at least). Ironically though, it was still rather popular in Pakistan.
if you follow Pakistani TV dramas, every second drama is about extra marital affairs. sisters churaing sisters fiance / husband. It seems that after death of Haji Yaqoob, ARY also got green signal to show what they want. They have now their new channel 'ARY Zindagi' airing Indian and other foreign content 24/7. Hypocrites.
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That is the point. Tolerance shown on one front lead you to tolerate more things. British ruled us for more than 100 years, but a little minority of desis followed their dress code, especially ladies. But within 6 decades of independence, we really enjoyed freedom to break dress codes.
I don't think dress codes have been broken. Stretched maybe, but not broken. We've adopted other styles however, and blended them in our own traditional attire.
chaak?
The side of the kameez that isn't sewn together.