The jail sentences for Salman, Asif and Amir are atrocious and absurd?

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People should not be betting on sports. The fact that their actions hurt their country probably is more relevant than whether their actions hurt someone who bet on the game, IMO

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Well, that is normative question of whether people should or should not bet on sports (or on any other thing for that matter).

I am just saying that the OP's assertion that they were sentenced for bowling no-balls is not correct. Their crime is not bowling those no-balls but trying to cheat others and make money out of it.

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I agree that these three needed to be punished. Its not just about no-balls. Its what these deliberate no-balls represented! (Corrupt payments and dishonesty)

but I just wish our board had suspended them immediately rather than defending them and our governments would have prosecuted them IN PAKISTAN and sentence them HERE. Prosecution in UK has also been extremely painful. Without ignoring the fact that our independent judiciary and government dont go along well, I am sure they would have received a fair trial here in pakistan too even though the resources UK court had (NOTW reporter, Mazhar Majeed) may not be easily available for our courts.

But in principal, when the likes of Raymond Davis are asked to be handed over consistently, these guys should have been prosecuted here.

Justice was done in the end.. I just wish it was done here in Pakistan.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. If there is cheating going on in NFL or Soccer, thats needed to be dealt with instead of turning eyes from proved cheaters. They did not only cheat but they also played 'innocent' trying to use victim mentality of the nation.

Also as Saby said, PCB acted real $hitty. Only if PCB had acted quick in accepting the fact, suspending them and prosecuting them in Pakistan tu aaj yee victim mentality sai jaan choot jatee. PCB was announcing at that time that the players can be selected for next game. IMO inquiry on the actions (or lack of it) of PCB's officials (chairman, manager) should be launched and they should be penalized to.

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so if someone supposedly gets away with a no ball, or spot fixing which is unimportant in a test match, wouldnt he go for the next step in some other important match, maybe fix a whole over?

Would that make him angelic then? A wrong is a wrong..no matter how big or small. Esp being Pakistani, they had a reputation to hold not for their sake but a whole country's sake. I think they deserved it.

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Agree with Saqib

Sending them to jail is harsh for just bowling some no balls .......Are you kidding?

Im not defending these players .......Infact i was a huge Butt supporter but he lost his respect after the fixing he did

Asif what can i say

Amir I feel sorry for her mother rather than him :(

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Team management failed Amir, says mentor

Mohamamd Amir](http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/290948.html)** was a victim of Pakistan’s cricketing culture and, specifically, the team management that failed to protect him**, his mentor Asif Bajwa has said. Bajwa runs an academy in Rawalpindi that became Amir’s second home from the age of 11, where he would live for long stretches with Bajwa looking after him.

“It was the team management’s responsibility to take care of him,” Bajwa told ESPNcricinfo. "They should have taken a strict stance but the culture is very lenient and unprofessional. Why couldn’t they shut out those elements that tempted our cricketers?

“I brought up him up but he was distracted only after entering the international arena, where he didn’t find the right people around him. They [the PCB] wanted a cricketer to represent Pakistan - we gave them one. But now who is responsible? Who is to be blame? He was a player with extraordinary cricketing skills but he was very naïve … the board should have taken care of the other elements.”
Bajwa said he had been in contact with Amir during the spot-fixing trial. “My interaction with Amir until Wednesday was very emotional, he sounded helpless and insisted that he wanted one more chance - everyone deserves a second chance. He apologised to me, and I promised him that I’d help him to eventually return to the game. It’s a challenge for me to rebuild his reputation, but I will be doing that. It’s a challenge to remove a stigma, as our society is very cruel, but I believe he will be back.”

On Thursday, Amir was sentenced to six months in a young offenders’ detention centre for his role in the spot-fixing case; the rules suggest he can be out in three months’ time on good behaviour. His former team-mates Mohammad Asif and Salman Butt, and their agent Mazhar Majeed, were sent to jail for terms ranging from a year to 32 months.

In his remarks while handing out the sentence, Justice Cooke noted Amir’s background - he comes from a village near Islamabad where his father was a watchman in a government school. Compared to his fellow convicts, he was found to be unsophisticated, uneducated and impressionable.

“An 18-year-old from a poverty-stricken village background, very different to your own privileged one, who, whilst a very talented bowler, would be inclined to do what his senior players and particularly his captain told him, especially when told there was money in it for him and this was part of the common culture. For an impressionable youngster, not long in the team to stand out against the blandishments of his captain would have been hard,” the judge said

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I concede you point that their actions were corrupt - and also your 1st para. I guess in my mind, it is buyer beware. I could have phrased it better - those who bet on sports should accept the risks that come with it. Once betting is introduced, corruption follows. On Wall Street, when folks do insider trading, they spend time in minimum security prison. So yes, send these guys to jaiil, but allow them the same comforts.

Also, no one has come up with a single example of people being sent to prison for such crimes. So some balance and perspective is all I ask. The sentence (with half time off) is appropriate.

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Two years and six months. 1 year. Six months. It isn't that bad. The ref that got caught cheating in the nba got 15 months. Aside from that, don't these guys have like 10 and 5 year bans on playing?
You get caught, you have to accept to the punishment. Man up.

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Whilst I accept that there are double standards in international cricket, I see the punishments as a positive development. Jail sentence for the crimes they committted may seem harsh to some people but these three cricketers + crooked Majeed had to be made an example of lest other corrupt-minded cricketers try to do the same thing again in the future

Fines can never be enough of a deterrent for sportsmen who are all well-paid in general.

To say that these cricketers should not be punished because others who have committed similar or even bigger crimes sometimes get off scot-free is hardly a worthy argument

It is not a Q of one or two no-balls but of morals (assuming we have them!!) and principles. This was a clear cut case of corruption, fraud and deception

And the outcome (whether the no-balls affected the outcome of the game or not) is not even a consideration. I think most people would agree that if someone stole £100K worth of valuables from a multi-millionaire's home, it would not affect the rich man in a major way apart from the shock of being robbed!! So should we let the offender get away scot-free??

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My apologies. I took the time to go through all your threads and some of your posts. You come across as a level headed Indian.
But I still do not agree with your comments in that post and the outcome of trail and I agree with the OP on this issue. I can never expect any sympathies from Britishers when it comes to jumping on throats of Pakistanis or Indians or any Brown folks. I can expect unbiased behavior from Americans but not from the Brits.

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Cheers brother

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To everyone complaining about “three no balls”.. it wasnt just these three no balls.. did you all review all details of phone calls and transcripts? Check out http://icc-cricket.yahoo.net/articleterms.php?newsId=13111_1297278180 . Many of these have been repeated in recent news regarding the trial.

This was a systematic crew. They fixed events in MULTIPLE games and series.

So please stop saying that it was just these no balls.

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Fact 1: The three were guilty as charged.

Fact 2: Sentencing in UK courts differs significantly between racial groups according to their own records.

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Reference please

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^I am sure you have a search engine.

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The onus to provide reference should be on the person putting forward the claim.

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I dont think they should have been tried in a pakistani court- corruption is rife everywhere in pak, especially the court system, they would have got away with murder in their own country, money talks in pakistan alot more than evidence. im assuming these players mustve thought theyd ge tto go back to pakistan for their trial and pay off the judges.......

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^^

If they were tried in Pakistan, the LHC would sentence them to 5 years each, then the SC would throw the verdict out on appeal, and the scumbags would walk free and be back in the team, so Thank God this happened in the UK and the crooks are behind bars.

In Pakistan, every Judge likes to be in the headlines and makes it a habit of over turning another Judge's decision.

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For those who say race plays no part - consider the following:

Barry Bonds - yes he lied about not taking steroids - big deal - half the players were taking it. The investigation into his statements has cost millions - and is still ongoing. For what purpose?

Roger Clemens - same lie - not the same enthusiasm in going after him

McGuire - OK - he took the 5th - but his reward for taking steroids? he is the hitting (batting) coach for St Louis Cardinals.

So it is not a stretch to extrapolate that into cricket - Sharabee - here is your refernce that you asked from from Iconoclast.