The Islamic Threat

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The Islamic Threat

In recent years, a great deal of attention in the media have been given to the threat of “Islamic Fundamentalism”. Unfortunately, due to a twisted mixture of biased reporting in the Western media and the actions of some ignorant Muslims, the word “Islam” has become almost synonymous with “terrorism”. However, when one analyzes the situation, the question that should come to mind is: Do the teachings of Islam encourage terrorism? The answer: Certainly not! Islam totally forbids the terrorist acts that are carried out by some misguided people. It should be remembered that all religions have cults and misguided followers, so it is their teachings that should be looked at, not the actions of a few individuals. Unfortunately, in the media, whenever a Muslim commits a heinous act, he is labeled a “Muslim terrorist”.

However, when Serbs murder and rape innocent women in Bosnia, they are not called “Christian terrorists”, nor are the activities in Northern Ireland labeled “Christian terrorism”. Also, when right-wing Christians in the U. S. bomb abortion clinics, they are not called “Christian terrorists”. Reflecting on these facts, one could certainly conclude that there is a double-standard in the media! Although religious feelings play a significant role in the previously mentioned “Christian” conflicts, the media does not apply religious labels because they assume that such barbarous acts have nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity. However, when something happens involving a Muslim, they often try to put the blame on Islam itself – and not the misguided individual.

Certainly, Islamic Law allows war — any religion or civilization that did not would never survive — but it certainly does not condone attacks against innocent people, women or children. The Arabic word “jihad”, which is often translated as “Holy War”, simply means “to struggle”. The word for “war” in Arabic is “harb”, not “jihad”. “Struggling”, i.e. “making jihad”, to defend Islam, Muslims or to liberate a land where Muslims are oppressed is certainly allowed (and even encouraged) in Islam.

However, any such activities must be done according to the teachings of Islam. Islam also clearly forbids “taking the law into your own hands”, which means that individual Muslims cannot go around deciding who they want to kill, punish or torture.

Trial and punishment must be carried out by a lawful authority and a knowledgeable judge. Also, when looking at events in the Muslim World, it should be kept in mind that a long period of colonialism ended fairly recently in most Muslim countries. During this time, the peoples in this countries were culturally, materially and religiously exploited - mostly by the so-called “Christian” nations of the West. This painful period has not really come to an end in many Muslim countries, where people are still under the control of foreign powers or puppet regimes supported by foreign powers.

Also, through the media, people in the West are made to believe that tyrants like Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moamar Qaddafi in Libya are “Islamic” leaders – when just the opposite is true. Neither of these rulers even profess Islam as an ideology, but only use Islamic slogans to manipulate their powerless populations. They have about as much to do with Islam as Hitler had to do with Christianity! In reality, many Middle Eastern regimes which people think of as being “Islamic” oppress the practice of Islam in their countries. So suffice it to say that “terrorism” and killing innocent people directly contradicts the teachings of Islam.

Blaming anyone weather Jew or Muslim for anything without proof and sufficient evidence is pure stupidity.

In my opinion those who fight against state terrorism, the occupation of their lands, slaughter of their children and the rape of their women are definitely freedom fighters and martyrs as long as they don’t harm the innocent.

The journalists and editors of “Islamic” newspapers that refer to terrorists who fly aeroplanes into buildings killing innocent humans and suicide bombers who kill innocent men, women and children as martyrs are ignorant of Islamic teachings and base their writings on emotion rather than Quran and Sunnah.

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*Originally posted by Saif-ul-Islam: *
Blaming anyone weather Jew or Muslim for anything without proof and sufficient evidence is pure stupidity.

In my opinion those who fight against state terrorism, the occupation of their lands, slaughter of their children and the rape of their women are definitely freedom fighters and martyrs as long as they don’t harm the innocent.

The journalists and editors of “Islamic” newspapers that refer to terrorists who fly aeroplanes into buildings killing innocent humans and suicide bombers who kill innocent men, women and children as martyrs are ignorant of Islamic teachings and base their writings on emotion rather than Quran and Sunnah.
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what if bhudists,christians,hindus and jews form their own groups
outside of the goverment do the same it would be disaster
so it should be left to gverments to solve the problem.

Friend, is there any difference between yours and a sermon at Friday prayer?

Are you sure that Serb was just a rape and murder problem? Do you have all information of Chechens? Why are you blindly sure that Palestines never disturb peace or no Kashmiri civilian is killed by Islamic terrorists.

Your problem is that you have only one-sided information.

You have lot of praises for Islam. Ever hear of Al-Qaeda? Do you consider this party Muslim or disbeliever?
Do you have praises for a State like Taleban?

Let us decide it first.

rvikz You have a point there but you have to look at things from their point of view too, their reactions are natural, they can’t just sit back and watch. And if it’s state terrorism then there is no point in expecting the government to solve any problems.

yahudi I am in no position to judge weather the members of Al-Qaeda are Muslims or Non-Muslims. But I condemn their unIslamic terrorist acts and those who commit such crimes against humanity deserve the capital punishment.

I don’t have enough information about the Taliban to condemn them. They certainly aren’t infallible but some of the stuff about them on CNN and BBC seemed grossly twisted and exaggerated.

You said that I have only one-sided information, judging from your posts I think that’s true for you.

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Friend, is there any difference between yours and a sermon at Friday prayer?

Are you sure that Serb was just a rape and murder problem? Do you have all information of Chechens? Why are you blindly sure that Palestines never disturb peace or no Kashmiri civilian is killed by Islamic terrorists.

Your problem is that you have only one-sided information.

You have lot of praises for Islam. Ever hear of Al-Qaeda? Do you consider this party Muslim or disbeliever?
Do you have praises for a State like Taleban?

Let us decide it first.
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why r u directly assuming or even questioning that al--qaeda is the perfect example of Muslim an what islam is about an therefore islam is a religion which promotes violence..
i think the whole point of the article that i think u probably missed is that ppl do commit acts of terrorism but islam is the only religion which is held responsible..

  1. The author of the thread says”

‘However, any such activities must be done according to the teachings of Islam. Islam also clearly forbids "taking the law into your own hands", which means that individual Muslims cannot go around deciding who they want to kill, punish or torture.’

Pls tell me verses from Quran correlating above idea.

  1. Re Deviliciouss, ppl do commit acts of terrorism but islam is the only religion which is held responsible..

What happens when anywhere any terrorist activity takes place where Muslims are involved?
First the terrorists do not confine that they do so as per the teachings of Islam, they make shouts of Jihad and so on.
Next comes the Islamic media, immediately declares that there is a design.
Next the same media chants that Islam is a peaceful religion.
Though in all Islamic countries we do not find any strong opposition to the terrorist groups. No fatwa is issued against them. They are not declared non-Muslims, or disbelievers.
As a rule, indirectly the all Islamic media and gentry protects the terrorists and terrorist acts.
When Bush will carry the Christian flag while attacking Afghanistan, Christianity will definitely be questioned.

Re Taleban, Are Taleban Muslims? Can you declare them disbelievers?
You know that some women were stoned to death in Taleban rule as per Sharryat. Girl education was prohibited.
Do you know that Quran was constitution of Taleban State? And the statues of Buddha were destroyed.
And all this is not BBC or CNN propaganda.

Islam is a peaceful religion. Do you know that a peaceful religion must be non-violent?
Does Islam believe in non-violence?

Sorry, the first post is too long and I take another opportunity for a little talk.

You know that after 9/11 the Islamic media made a thorough propaganda that 9/11 Jews did not go to WTC. Hence there was a design. Such talk is still possible on many of Islamic TVs, including PTV.
Just imagine that majority of idiot gentry in hard core Islamic land, like Arab countries still believe this propaganda. I am not joking. It is true.

Next, may be, you know that some Hindus were burnt by some Muslims (as reported) at Godhra last year and later it turned into riots.
Wait, one thing you definitely do not know…
Some of VHP/ RSS circle distributed pamphlets that on the Godhra incident day all Muslim Railway employs at Godhra station were on leave. (As if it was a preplanned action.)

A Press reporter of newspaper ‘The Hindu’ (its name is Hindu, has nothing to do with the religion) went to Godhra and checked the service record of that day and found that the pamphlet information was totally baseless.

I hope you understand how a secular media works in comparison to Islamic media.

Now, next time do not question why Islam is always questioned.

Dude you are so full of sh!t. You are blinded by your hatred for Islam and Muslims.

Religious leaders all over the Muslim world condemn terrorism and terrorist acts.

Half the things the western media reports is bull crap. Journalists who had never heard of Islam prior to September 11 started righting lengthy articles on it. Don’t believe everything you are told.

Islam is a PEACEFUL religion but not a COWARDLY religion we don’t believe in turning the other cheek bull crap.

Jihad (struggle) against ones own evil desires and against oppression (in the form of war) is praiseworthy and an essential part of Islam.

We are taught to be peaceful and not mess with anyone but when the disbelievers fight or oppress the Muslims or take over our lands we are taught to be brave and fight for Allah’s cause and teach the enemies of Islam a lesson.

Being peaceful in all circumstances is being stupid.

Another thing, judge a religion by its scriptures not by its people.

Fact of the matter is there is always going to be an inherent sturggle in islam or muslims or whatever..unless polictics is remove from governance. Muslims have made good rulers in some instances but always made poor subjects. Where ever muslims are in a sizeable minority there are problems. This is because the foremost strive to cling to islamic governance, no matter how futile, is always pitted against the existing system. Eventhough an islamic system has never been implemented as a benchmark. So no one gives a crap if you are declaring jihad to cleanse your inner soul…others do Yoga and transcendental meditation or whatever…but if you are using jihad as a political tool then it is an anachronistic notion and you will find many detractors…including me. :wave:

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
1. The author of the thread says”

‘However, any such activities must be done according to the teachings of Islam. Islam also clearly forbids "taking the law into your own hands", which means that individual Muslims cannot go around deciding who they want to kill, punish or torture.’

Pls tell me verses from Quran correlating above idea.

  1. Re Deviliciouss, ppl do commit acts of terrorism but islam is the only religion which is held responsible..

What happens when anywhere any terrorist activity takes place where Muslims are involved?
First the terrorists do not confine that they do so as per the teachings of Islam, they make shouts of Jihad and so on.
Next comes the Islamic media, immediately declares that there is a design.
Next the same media chants that Islam is a peaceful religion.
Though in all Islamic countries we do not find any strong opposition to the terrorist groups. No fatwa is issued against them. They are not declared non-Muslims, or disbelievers.
As a rule, indirectly the all Islamic media and gentry protects the terrorists and terrorist acts.
When Bush will carry the Christian flag while attacking Afghanistan, Christianity will definitely be questioned.

Re Taleban, Are Taleban Muslims? Can you declare them disbelievers?
You know that some women were stoned to death in Taleban rule as per Sharryat. Girl education was prohibited.
Do you know that Quran was constitution of Taleban State? And the statues of Buddha were destroyed.
And all this is not BBC or CNN propaganda.

Islam is a peaceful religion. Do you know that a peaceful religion must be non-violent?
Does Islam believe in non-violence?
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my question to u is.. why do u think jhust because the tealben an alqaueda say its in the name odf Islam,... they actually mean thats in the name of Islam..
can u even fathom the thought that Maybe .. MNaytbe there is a tiny lil possibiliity that Islam is the merely an excuse for thwir actions..

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*Originally posted by Saif-ul-Islam: *

Islam is a PEACEFUL religion but not a COWARDLY religion we don’t believe in turning the other cheek bull crap.
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Then don't claim Jesus as a prophet, because he lived and died to further that message you refer to as bull crap. To justify violence with religion is cowardly, not to mention an insult to God.

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Jihad (struggle) against ones own evil desires and against oppression (in the form of war) is praiseworthy and an essential part of Islam.

We are taught to be peaceful and not mess with anyone but when the disbelievers fight or oppress the Muslims or take over our lands we are taught to be brave and fight for Allah’s cause and teach the enemies of Islam a lesson.
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Why is it only the disbelievers that deserve your wrath? There are plenty of Muslim ruled countries where the oppressed could also use your help. Your justifications are no better than those used by the Crusaders. Is it your job to teach people a lesson or God's? Violence and religion are totally opposite concepts. Until that is realized Islam will continue to be perceived as a threat by others. And until you show the same compassion for Muslims in Muslim countries your argument is hypocritical and baseless.

There should be Jihad against oppression weather the oppressor is a Non-Muslim or claims to be a Muslim.

Fighting is sometimes necessary to protect the lives, dignity and rights of innocent people.

“And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, **but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors” [The holy Quran 2:190]

"He who kills a Jew or a Christian with whom an agreement or treaty has been made, will not sense even the smell of Paradise, and no doubt, its smell can be sensed from the distance covered in forty years." (Bukhari)

Then why isn’t your anger directed at the majority Muslim nations where most of the oppressed Muslims are living? Why wasn’t there jihad against Saddam or in SA, the holiest of places where they could use some help in gaining dignity and rights?

Could the verse you quoted be interepreted that ‘fight in the way of Allah’ implies the ‘way of Allah’ is not through the violence you are advocating, but something a little more peaceful and respectful (religion of peace, remember?)

BTW, here’s a link to your original post: http://www.fatwa-online.com/aboutislaam/0020221.htm

JazakAllah Saif ul Islam!!!! I am proud of you! May Allah guide non-believers in thinking rationally and without bias.

Thanks for the link, I got it in an email forward and so didn’t have the link.

Ameen and thanks :flower1:

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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
JazakAllah Saif ul Islam!!!! I am proud of you! May Allah guide non-believers in thinking rationally and without bias.
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Let's not forget to include the believers in the same prayer.

I'll ask this question again since the thread has taken a self-congratulatory turn -- Could not the following verse:

And fight in the way of Allah* those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors” *[The holy Quran 2:190]

be interpreted that the 'way of Allah' is not through violence but through His more benevolent teachings and the peaceful message of Jesus?

The Quran is understood in the light of the Sunnah and physical Jihad is an essential pillar of Islam.

Like I said before a religion, which prohibits self-defence and defence of the oppressed is being unrealistic and can never work.