The Inventor of Milad

As regards the celebration of the birthday of the Messenger (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam), the scholars have clearly stated that the person who first introduced this innovation (bid’a) was Muzaffar ad-Din ibn Zain al-Din, the ruler of Irbil. “He was a prodigal monarch. He commanded the scholars of his time to follow the conduct based on their own derivation and independent thinking (ijtihad), and that they should not follow any school of law of any master except their own. A group of scholars and a body of the servants inclined towards him. He used to celebrate the birthday of the first monarch to introduce this practice among the Muslims”[1]

He used to spend one hundred thousand (dirhams) on the celebration of the birthday of the Messenger (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) every year.[2]

His assistant and helper in this innovation was Abdul Khattab Umar b. Dihya. “He was employed in the Maghrib, then travelled to Syria, then to Iraq, and then went to Irbil in 604 A.H. and found its monarch Muzaffar al-Din b. Zain al-Din who took keen interest in celebrating the birthday of the Messenger (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam). He composed a book for him al-Tanwir fi Maulid al-Siraj al-Munir and recited it to him. He rewarded him with one thousand dinars.”[3]

Ibn Kathir has reported on the authority of al-Sabt about Ibn Dihya: “Ibn Unain used to defame the Muslims and disparage them. He would make additions in his report and exaggerate. So the people gave up narrating traditions from him and falsified him. Kamil was favouring him. When his conduct was disclosed to him, he withdrew Dar-al-Hadith from him and disgraced him.”[4]

We give below the resume of Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani’s comments on him: "He was a liar, lied frequently, and a fabricator. He often slandered the scholars and the jurists of the past, used evil toungue, self-conceited, lacked insight in religious matters, and looked down upon religion. This has been reported from al-Hafiz Diya. He further says: Ali b. al-Hussain Abul Ali al- Isbahan narrated to me - it is enough to mention his name as an authority - when Ibn Dihya came to us in Isbahan, he stayed with my father in the hospice. He honoured and respected him very much. One day he came to my father with a carpet. He kissed it and placed it before him saying, “I offered such and such thousand rak’ahs of prayer on this carpet, and recited the whole Qur’an in the Ka’ba.” He said: My father took it, kissed it, placed it on his head, and accepted it from him with a great pleasure. At the end of the day an inhabitant of Isbafian came and began to talk to us. During his conversation he said by chance: The faqih of Maghrib who is staying with you has purchased a beautiful carpet today for such and such a price. Therupon my father ordered to bring the carpet. Seeing it the man said, “Yes by Allah, this is the same.” My father kept silent, and the eyes of Ibn Dihya fell down.[5]

References:

  1. Ahmad b. Muhammad el-Misry, el-Qawl el-Mu’tamad fi 'amal al-Mawlid

  2. Al-Dhahabi, Duwal al-Islam, Vol.11 p.102

  3. Ibn Kathir, al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya, Vol.I3 pp.144-146

  4. Ibid

  5. Ibn Hajar el-Asqalani, Lisan al-Mizan, VoL 4 p.295

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ahem ahem...getting back to the TOPIC...i have one word for it...

biddah!

(this ONE word can be further discussed if any of us 'ignorant' ones please)

mean we cant celebrate b-days

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girl thing, i dont find a hadith or an ayah in the quran which states that the muslims of that time celebrated bdays....(and you know as well as i do, that anything that is addition to the 'deen' is innovation)

Besides being bidah and having no basis in shareeah, these birthday celebrations also involve imitation of the Jews and Christians in their birthday celebrations.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.”(Fataawa Islamiyyah, 1/115)

As-Salamun-Alaikum

Surely, bidat (innovation) is nothing but introducing something new in religion. Something that did not exist before. Now tell me is it bidat to spread the knowledge of traditions through modern media like Television, Computers and internet? If it is, we must refrain from such acts for they did not exist in the time of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.). No, my friend, such innovations are haraam only if they spread evil and sensuality. But if they are used to spread Quranic sciences we must make optimum use of them instead of considering them as ‘bidat’.

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

i'd have to disagree with you Salman. "Quranic sciences"? i dont think that term is correct.
anyway, u cant just invent something new and call it "Islamic" just because an individual or a group of people think it is.
here's something i found from the "modern religion" website:

**Bid'at (innovation) is something that has no Islamic basis. A thing which is not proved from the Holy Quran a nd Hadith, as in practice at the time of the Holy Prophet, his companions, but is now done as religious duty.
The Prophet (saw) has condemned one who indulges in innovation and called them "destroyer of the religion". There are literally thousands of examples of Bid'at!

To build graves of hard bricks
To build domes on graves
To light candles near graves
To spread sheets and covers on graves
To gather for feast after a death in a house
To wear garlands in marriage
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"Amor Fati"

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Originally posted by Salman-:
**As-Salamun-Alaikum

Surely, bidat (innovation) is nothing but introducing something new in religion. Something that did not exist before. Now tell me is it bidat to spread the knowledge of traditions through modern media like Television, Computers and internet? If it is, we must refrain from such acts for they did not exist in the time of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.). No, my friend, such innovations are haraam only if they spread evil and sensuality. But if they are used to spread Quranic sciences we must make optimum use of them instead of considering them as ‘bidat’.

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu**
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therefore allowing milad to be ok??

[quote]
Originally posted by Salman-:
**As-Salamun-Alaikum

Surely, bidat (innovation) is nothing but introducing something new in religion. Something that did not exist before. Now tell me is it bidat to spread the knowledge of traditions through modern media like Television, Computers and internet? If it is, we must refrain from such acts for they did not exist in the time of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.). No, my friend, such innovations are haraam only if they spread evil and sensuality. But if they are used to spread Quranic sciences we must make optimum use of them instead of considering them as ‘bidat’.

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu**
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Well said, but who's listening?!

Not only that, ask whoever opposes:

  • Is prayin taraweeh in cngregation = bad innovation? Haram?

  • I having Qur'an with the dots on it, dot for the Ba', dot for the Fa', and dots for the sheen, is that = Bad bid^ah? Haram to have?

  • Is using a mihrab where khateeb stands = Bid^ah, Haram?

  • Is Mawlid that is done by MILLIONS OF Muslims, worldwide; In India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, sudan, sweden, Libia, Algeria, Shishan, Egypt, lebanon suria.... all of these are committing shirk? = Bid^ah?

  • I using the internet, riding cars, watching tv.. all haram?

-.....

all of these things were not done during the time of the Prophet. But Muslims did them according to sahabah and scholars' rule: If it does not oppose the religion, it's not forbiden.

Imam Muslim related from the route of Jarir Ibn ^Abdullah (Check Muslim), that the Prophet said:
which means: <>

This hadith, which is confirmed and of the sahih classification, is a foundation for proving the validity of the good innovations in Islam. The good innovation is called the 'liked innovation'. The saying of the Prophet in the hadith refers to the good innovation as opposed to the bad innovation signifying that it includes those innovations that comply with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Every innovation innovated by the people of knowledge that complies with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet is a good innovation, as indicated by the above-mentioned hadith of the Prophet: <>

The Prophet mentioned this hadith in relation to a specific incident which occurred when a group of very poor people came to the Prophet. They were so poor that they could not afford an article of clothing for boththe upper and lower part of their bodies. Out of their poverty, they covered their bodies by wearing a sheet of material with an opening cut in it for the head. These people were not inhabitants of al-Madinah, though they had come there out of their love and desire to meet the Prophet. When the Prophet saw their state of poverty, the expression on his face changed to sadness. The Prophet urged the Muslims to contribute and pay in charity to those needy people what would be enough to lift their sadness and their need. One man stood up, came forward, and put something between the hands of the Prophet as a contribution to those people. Another came forward with a contribution, then a third, and a fourth. One brought food and another clothing--until a large quantity gathered between the hands of the Prophet. At that time, the face of the Prophet expressed happiness, and he said: <>

Although the Prophet stated this hadith at that specific incident, the meaning is general and covers the general cases. It is not permissible to claim that this hadith applies only to charity because the Prophet used a general term in this hadith. He did not specify the reward to 'He who spends in charity,' rather he said: 'He who innovates a good innovation.' The Prophet used a general term in this hadith, even though it was revealed for a specific incident. It is the rule among the scholars that if an ayah or hadith was revealed for a specific incident or a specific reason yet a general term was used in that ayah or hadith, then the criterion would be in the general meaning of the term and not by the specificity of the incident.

Any Muslim who knows of an innovation innovated by the pious Muslim scholars which complies with the Qur'an and the hadith, let him step forward and apply it. All such innovations which comply with the Qur'an and the hadith are covered and included by the hadith of the Prophet: <> Hence this hadith is a foundation to affirm and confirm the validity of the good innovation in Islam. Moreover, the practices of the Companions and what we have witnessed from the pious Muslims stand as more proof of the validity of the good innovations.

Some people falsely claim that anything that was innovated after the Prophet is an innovation of misguidance. Their statement contradicts the saying of the Prophet previously mentioned; and it contradicts the doings of the Companions and their followers. One example of a good innovation is that which was done by Yahya Ibn Ya^mar--adding the dots above and below some of the Arabic letters in the Qur'an. Those who wrote down the Revelation that came down on the Prophet wrote the ayat of the Qur'an without the dots that are present today in the Arabic letters.

For the example I mentioned above, the letter ba' was written without a dot underneath; the letter ta', was written without two dots on top; and the letter tha' was written without three dots above. The entire Qur'an was written without these dots over or under the letters. Adding the dots took place after the death of the Prophet by a certain period of time.

Yahya Ibn Ya^mar was the first to innovate the convention of using dots on the Arabic letters. He was among the pious and trustworthy tabi^in. His action of applying the dots on the letters is included in the hadith of the Prophet referring to the one who innovates a good innovation in Islam. When the Companions witnessed this innovation, they did not disagree with him; they did not blame him and say, "You have done something that the Prophet did not do." They did not tell him, "The Prophet was not explicit about doing such a thing, how dare you do it?" On the contrary, they found this to be a good action on his part, because it has a great benefit for the nation.

When the Companions wrote the Qur'an, they did so without writing the dots for a certain wisdom. This was because the Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet with different methods of recitation. In some of the recitations, the word would be recited with the letter ta' and in other recitations, it would be recited with the letter ya'. The ta' and the ya' are written in the same shape or format, however, they differ in the placement of the dots on them, i.e., the ta' has two dots on top and the ya' has two dots underneath.

Writing the format of the word without the dots would allow for either the ta' or the ya' to be read. As such, one Book compiling the letters and the words (without the dots) would be sufficient for more than one recitation. However, if one applies the dots, then this is restricted. That flexibility of reading the different recitations in one Book is eliminated, and if one wanted to recite according to a different recitation, one would need to rewrite the words with the dots placed differently to suit that recitation. For that wisdom, the Companions did not innovate the dots before this time.

When the benefit of this innovation became apparent at the time of Yahya Ibn Ya^mar, the Companions kept silent. At that time, many of the non-Arabs had embraced Islam and reading the Qur'an without the dots without making errors and mistakes constituted a hardship for these Muslims. To reduce the difficulty, Yahya applied the dots to the Qur'an. The Companions found that to be a good action on his part. This innovation of Yahya Ibn Ya^mar is included and covered by the hadith of the Prophet: <>

There are some who falsely claim: "Everything that was not done at the time of the Prophet and done later on--is an innovation of misguidance." If one followed this faulty reasoning, he would have to remove all of the dots from all of the texts of the Qur'anthat are available today, before he started raising other points falsely. Had the claim of such a person been true, it would have been an obligation to remove the dots on all of the texts that are available today. Yet, the Companions did not do that, and they did not order it to be done. All those who came after them, from the scholars and the lay people--until the present day--read Qur'an in texts that include the dots.

I need answers to ever question.

  • Is it not bid^ah to put the letters (SAW) or (AS) after the name of the Prophet instead of putting the whole salat and salam for respect? It wasn't done by Prophet nor sahabah!

  • Is it not bid^ah follow the sects and leave the Ijma^ and sayings of qualified scolars?!

....... And a lot more.

I need answers to these questions with the prooves on them! otherwise, this would be another escape from the prooves.

ok..

biddah is innovation ....innovation in the DEEN!

how is saying:

"bhar day meri jholi ya mohammad
terey dar say may na jaoon ga khali"

justified?

is that not khula shirk??

(by the way, that is a famous 'naat' that is recited in most milads today)

oh and by the way

ahmad , avoid the ^^ and all the little astriks...they make your stuff harder to follow...

and how did 'dots' come in this???the topic is milaad...go open up a new thread on dots...


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First of all its not a NAAT…its a qawwali and NO I DONT CONSIDER IT SHIRK AT ALL!!!

Hazoor (pbuh) is just meant as a “waseela” in this qasida!

salaam
ramesha

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PS: want me to prove it!!!
Quran or sunnah…either way u want!

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As-Salamun-Alaikum

Brother Ahmed G I agree with you. If it's a good bidaa then there is nothing wrong in it. Other examples of 'Good Bid'a':

The Holy Quran is divided into 30 siparas. This is something that wasnot there during the time of Prophet(SAWS). Later on scholars of Islam came up with 'this good bida'a' so that people could finish the Holy Quran in 1 month. (1 para perday)(30 days in an Islamic month) as it is sunnat to complete the Holy Quran in 1 month during the month especially in the month of Ramadan.

Bro X-Communist and watcher you are already doing bida by reading siparas of th Holy Quran, what's wrong in it?

You know You have to make some sense here. You just can't go Bida Bida Bida Bida...

You know in the Olden times The Holy Quran used to be handwritten. Nowadays its published in a book bindery, isn't that Bida'a

Can't you see there's nothing wrong in a good Bida.

Peace be with you

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

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first of all buddy…x-commie=sis!

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Hmm…and i thought everyone new the meaning of bi’dah…sigh

as far as the topic is concerned…i’ve posted up a naat (aka qawalli by sis.ramesha) . DO You CONSIDER THAT A GOOD BIDDAH??

read it thoroughly and answer my question…

sis ramesha…qawalli/naat…anything that includes shirk is haraam…

who is the only ZAAT that can fill your ‘jholi’?

think , think.

Well guys I don't know how each sect stand on the shirk but lets think about it this way, In islam we belief something as nisbaat,wasile or wastaa,Personally I dont see anything wrong by asking to God by giving the wastaa of the Holy Prophet he is a Rehmat for the Ummah, If you think that is shirk then tell me when you go to Qaba and hold its gilaaf and ask to God with its wastaa isnt that a shirk then, Does God live inside the Qaba or its just a nisbaat. I heard from one of my Sunni friends that Hazrat Adam prayers were accepted after he gave some wasta to God but he never told me what the wasta was, or the reference he learnt it from, next time if i see him i'll find it out and let you guys know.

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u got it wrong…so u saying hazoor can not be made a waeesla to reach allah subhana o tallah?

bye
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sis.ramesha, may exactly yahi keh rahi hoon! If you have faith in ALLAH, why do you need a wasila to reach him?? Allah is not there for special ppl...He is there for ANYONE who believes in Him.

as far as wasila (read this carefully):

And with truth We have sent it down (i.e. the Qur'ân), and with truth it has descended. And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as nothing but a bearer of glad tidings (of Paradise, for those who follow your Message of Islâmic Monotheism), and a warner (of Hell-fire for those who refuse to follow your Message of Islâmic Monotheism) Al-Isra -- 105.

X_comm sis salaam,

First of all i must admit i am surprised and glad to find that u r a female (found that from yr urdu

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Well sister the ayat u presented above doesn’t suggest that Hazoor (pbuh) can not be made a waseela. I looked into around 3 sunni tafseers and 1 shia tafseer and i could present one only if u wish.

Coming back to waseela question now let me present few ayat from quran proving that WASEELA is the best way to reach ALLAH the allmighty.

All translations r obtained from:http://www.stg.brown.edu/webs/quran_browser/pqeasy.shtml)

al-Ma’idah 5:35
O ye who believe! Be mindful of your duty to Allah, and seek the way of approach unto Him, and strive in His way in order that ye may succeed.

**bani Isra’il 17:57
Those unto whom they cry seek the way of approach to their Lord, which of them shall be the nearest; they hope for His mercy and they fear His doom. Lo! the doom of thy Lord is to be shunned. **

Now since the WASEELA matter is quite clear in the light of Quran let me present you couple of examples too.

[Yusuf 12:97] They said: O our father! ask forgiveness of our faults for us, surely we were sinners.
[Yusuf 12:98] He said: I will ask for you forgiveness from my Lord; surely He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.

Why did hazrat Yaqoob (as) ask allah for forgiveness. Why didn’t he refuse to do so, if it was a KHULA SHIRK??

here is another ayat.plz read carefully
an-Nisa’ 4:64
And We did not send any apostle but that he should be obeyed by Allah’s permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Apostle had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.

Now why is allah saying that had rasool asked for forgivess he would have forgiven them. WHY didn’t allah say oh rasool u dont ask for forgiveness, its a shirk???not only allah is asking hazoor to ask for foggiveness on some1 elses behalf but also assuring that allah would have forgiven them had they asked rasool to pray for them.

Now my dear sister, as in the light of above verses its clear and all muslims agree upon use of waseela to get to allah the allmighty.(except for wahabi faith)

We r lucky to be from Prophet muhammad’s (phuh) ummat. We r very lucky indeed. We r blessed that we are the ummat of Mahboob-e-Allah.

Who better to make waseela then prophet muhammad and his familly the ahl-e-bayt whom allah has purified from all sins.

I am not saying that making waseela in duas is WJAIB or neccessary. Its upto oneself. But its not gunnah my dear sis as wahabis suggest. They r ignorant as they can be. And worst of all muslims r falling for whatever they come up with.

You dont know what you are missing on my sister. May allah forgive our sins in sadqa of his mahboob nabbi.

Salaam
ramesha

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yes ramesha…been there doen that (about the sis/bro thing

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now, i see where you are coming from…those ayahs are pretty strong

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now to the second part of my question:

(i’ve asked ahmad g this, but didnt get a clear reply)

HOW do you make the prophet your wasila?

How?

do you ask ALLAH to forgive you on his behalf?

and/or

do you ask the PROPHET HIMSELF to pray to ALLAH for you?

hope you can hit a reply to both of these examples and maybe then i can catch on what i’ve been missing

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It’s not how fast you were GOING, It’s how fast you STOPPED!**

Salaam X_comm sis,

WHO SAYS WORLD IS SHORT OF GOOD PPL!!!
( or gup shup )

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u asked

HOW do you make the prophet your wasila?
How?
do you ask ALLAH to forgive you on his behalf? and/or
do you ask the PROPHET HIMSELF to pray to ALLAH for you?

lemme give u an example. Like in daily life how we get sick and visit our doctor for cure. We r not asking docotr jee for cure, offcourse. Its allah who is SHAFFI. we will pray to allah for cure not the doctor.

Aisay hee. we r asking allah for forgiveness thru his dear ones.

I gotta go rightnow

i will get back to u.

ramesha

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Mashallah sister Ramisha thats a pretty good example we all know that its God who gives shafa but we still go for doctor cause he is the waseela.