Recently and (even historically) India have offered following terms to Pakistan
Indians will continue to build Dam(s) on the river belongs to Pakistan and shall continue to steal water , doesn’t matter if Pakistan have to face drought like situation, this is not India’s problem. (serious and immediate issue for Pakistan)
Pakistan have to forget about Kashmir, it is integral part of India.
Pakistan should nab any Anti-Indian movement in Pakistan, however, if any Anti-Pakistan movements is supported by India, then it is Internal matter of India and India does not like anyone ( read Pakistan) to interfere in their internal issues
Above are the main terms India is insisting on, and our Zardari led govt have so far shown no spine at all, i guess all their egos and bravery is for the poor HARI of their jageers…
With these terms and keeping Indian mentality in mind, Pakistan is left by following options only
Accept all three and sign the treaty, Zardari & Co ( includes all the leadership) shall be awarded with few houses in India the rest of the nation can go to hell…
Declare war against India, which eventually shall turnout into a nuclear war between the two, both nations shall be part of history
Side China and CIA to corner India, i guess this is the best option Pakistan have, since war will win nothing, Pakistan with the help of China, should arm and support all the anti-Indian Movements in India, Thanks to Indian policy maker that Pakistan or China or CIA didn’t have to create one.
India and Pakistan can not live in peace, all these peace talks of 60 years were waste of time, nothing positive have ever came out of it, or may i am wrong, during 2002-2007, these talks and healthy environment have directly produced the un-matched economic boom in the two South Asian countries, where Investors and developers from all over the world was looking forward for opportunities to invest or to do business… this booms was literally over with the cease of peace talks/efforts…
Both the countries has been struggling since, Pakistan has to suffer twice as much as India because of the So-Called war on terror and India has to suffer has there is possibility of nuclear war (i.e. wiping out all assets and business opportunities)
The nuclear weapons cannot be used. As Pakistan can be wiped out and India badly hurt.
Most of Asia will be exposed to radiation and not much could be grown for food.
So those who survive the initial & counter strikes, millions will die a slow and horrible death by radiation and millions with contaminated food.
In the death count there will be half of the Indians, most of the Pakistanis,and many Afghans, Nepalese, Chinese, Sri Lankans, Burmese, Thai, Veitnamese. Even Russia and Mongolia could be affected.
India may still have a chance, but Pakistan - nothing. It may cease to exist.
No one will shed a tear for Pakistan - for they will blame Pakistan for bringing the world to this state.
Thus the nuclear weapons cannot be used.
^^ Trust me, the living indians will envy the killed ones, don't trust me, pay a visit to Hiroshima....
Having said that, this is about time India should stop stealing water and resolve the out-standing issues otherwise it will be taking the situation to a point where impossible become possible
Dump the nukes and the guns and just use blades, make it a fair fight… okay allow india three times bigger force and let it be the attacker and watch what happens, i think wars should be resolved in two second sword duels between leaders of nations, that way all is fair.
Okay maybe Japan and Turkic style rustams might be all that win but it’s a lot more fun than nuclear war, if i had it my way i’d take things back to the age of swords… then we would win hands down. anyone dare to argue with that !!!
Yep, shame honour and chivalry seem to be dead these days, but i believe theres still hope. Those that start the wars should be made to fight the wars. That way i think there would be a lot less wars.... judging by todays shameless leaders anyway.
OK granted there were bad men in the old days but they would die well, lets see what happens to todays leaders. Also India and Pakistan are like two bald men fighting over a comb, war between us is pointless becuase niether side can win much worth winning.
Besides at the end of the day, even the soldiers want peace...... get rid of the reasons for war and Insha-Allah the war will go with it.
Yep, shame honour and chivalry seem to be dead these days, but i believe theres still hope. Those that start the wars should be made to fight the wars. That way i think there would be a lot less wars.... judging by todays shameless leaders anyway.
OK granted there were bad men in the old days but they would die well, lets see what happens to todays leaders. Also India and Pakistan are like two bald men fighting over a comb, war between us is pointless becuase niether side can win much worth winning.
Besides at the end of the day, even the soldiers want peace...... get rid of the reasons for war and Insha-Allah the war will go with it.
This is whole point, Indians need to realize that the way they are handling things will lead to doom and nothing else..
True. India is naturally led by upper class, burgoise, class supremacist thugs just like Pakistan. Except the trouble is we Pakistanis have always known our leaders are contemptible cowards, and corupt ineficient slaves of foriegn powers. However our Indian friends on the whole fail to see the faults in thier system and blindly follow thier egotistical leaders to thier own doom. What both countries need to do is change this swamp politics, which is stagnant and has never achieved anything in the last century. We seriously need both nations to sort out the problems within thier own countires, whatever the solution is it's not a majic one, we need to all sit down and think it over.
A politician once said: "war is too important simply to be left to the generals."
Well heres a soldier hitting back and saying: "politics should be for all not just slimy politicians!"
Seriously wake up Pakistan clean out your leadership, Wake up people of India your following blindly behind leaders taking a wrong turn on the nuclear express and falling down a cliff.
Its normal for India to break treaties with Pakistan when it thinks it has the upper hand. The building of dams and limiting the water supply to Pakistan is against the Indus Basin Water Treaty. But will India care? Nope. The population figures are horrendous. They face a worse food security crisis than us.
meh.. independent panels reviewing these frequent accusations by pakistani establishment of indus water treaty violations have only had one result - these were found to hold no water.
how can india steal water from the northern tributaries of the indus? this is physically impossible. the arable land that needs this water is way south across the shivalik range. india has no place to divert these mountain rivers. yahya khan gifted india the eastern tributaries that flows thru the plains. god knows why. but this is not india's problem.
wake up pakistanis, your leaders feed you lies to distract you from your real issues - not kashmir, not some hydel dam somewhere in india. quit dancing to the tunes of your chaudharies and making angry fools of yourself. just excuses made by punjab to hog all the water and not share much with sindh downstream.
meh.. independent panels reviewing these frequent accusations by pakistani establishment of indus water treaty violations have only had one result - these were found to hold no water.
how can india steal water from the northern tributaries of the indus? this is physically impossible. the arable land that needs this water is way south across the shivalik range. india has no place to divert these mountain rivers. yahya khan gifted india the eastern tributaries that flows thru the plains. god knows why. but this is not india's problem.
wake up pakistanis, your leaders feed you lies to distract you from your real issues - not kashmir, not some hydel dam somewhere in india. quit dancing to the tunes of your chaudharies and making angry fools of yourself. just excuses made by punjab to hog all the water and not share much with sindh downstream.
Unlike Indians, We the Pakistanies normally do not take the word of our leaders as final, we try to find out ground realities, and this time we can check it out by ourselves.... so this applies to you...i suggest you should wakeup and smell the coffee, and it is part of your culture to dance on the tunes (set by anyone)
Its normal for India to break treaties with Pakistan when it thinks it has the upper hand. The building of dams and limiting the water supply to Pakistan is against the Indus Basin Water Treaty. But will India care? Nope. T*he population figures are horrendous. They face a worse food security crisis than us*.
Maybe this is the very reason the brahmin led country is working on the total destruction of the region... they are not dumb to not to know that where the situation is heading...
For your kind information, India is not being presently led by a Brahmin. Maybe it was India which sent scores of army men disguised as irregulars to sneak into the other country and occupy land illegally and when caught with the pants down run for cover.
For your kind information, India is not being presently led by a Brahmin. Maybe it was India which sent scores of army men disguised as irregulars to sneak into the other country and occupy land illegally and when caught with the pants down run for cover.
Oh yes, i forgot, Top leaders of Congress and BJP are not brahmin :) i guess they are from the lowest cast and the brahimns are just obeying them, yes i guess it is India who developed a concept of cross-border terrorism by creating, training and funding mukti-bahni.. and now is suffering from the same...
Yet an Indian who have nothing to say, on the topic at hand and has just added something to defend the top brass.. good going, keep it up
This is the problem with our two countries....we start bickering like two middle aged men...both claiming they have a bigger c***!!!
We should sit down with all the ground realities on the table and work out a solution that is acceptable for both of us!!!
For centuries we have lived together in peace...why can we not do us again?
Only half an hour ago i was reading a poem from Bulleh Shah on Holli. Until these countries accept each other and quit their international aspirations peace can never be achieved.!
This is the problem with our two countries....we start bickering like two middle aged men...both claiming they have a bigger c***!!!
We should sit down with all the ground realities on the table and work out a solution that is acceptable for both of us!!!
For centuries we have lived together in peace...why can we not do us again?
Only half an hour ago i was reading a poem from Bulleh Shah on Holli. Until these countries accept each other and quit their international aspirations peace can never be achieved.!
U have nailed it right,
The region is full of resources, if India and Pakistan sits together, solve issues, not make it a matter of their stupid ego.... ground realities, both sides need to think that, elimination of one party is not the solution, it will create even bigger problem...
Let me add one more story here, Mian Meer of Lahore have laid the foundation stone of the Golden Temple... now that was what we had...
To be fair. The building of Dams on the rivers that run to Pakistan is a violation of the Indus Basin Water Treaty. And India knows it is fully violating it. There treaty states that Pakistan's access to the water should not be limited or stopped in anyway or format.
If India continues to act in a manner contray to its international obligations, Pakistan will go to war over ensuring it has enough water to develop and produce foods.
India and Pakistan can not live in peace, all these peace talks of 60 years were waste of time, nothing positive have ever came out of it, or may i am wrong, during 2002-2007, these talks and healthy environment have directly produced the un-matched economic boom in the two South Asian countries, where Investors and developers from all over the world was looking forward for opportunities to invest or to do business... this booms was literally over with the cease of peace talks/efforts...
unfortunately, no. the indian economic boom was neither caused by peace with pakistan nor interrupted by frozen relations with pakistan. the sad reality is that peace with pakistan isn't required and doesn't make much of a difference to anything. it's far too late to establish any kind of economic dependency on peace.
this is also why "talks" are always a charade. peace is not a strong enough incentive for india to do anything that is even slightly domestically uncomfortable and pakistan has never had any cards at the table to get it to budge.
If India continues to act in a manner contray to its international obligations, Pakistan will go to war over ensuring it has enough water to develop and produce foods.
pakistan will launch an offensive conventional war against india? lol.
No who said conventional war? You see the beauty of modern warfare is not conventional anymore. Its guerilla warfare. You build a dam on a river contrary to your international obligations. It may just develop cracks or a hole or something.
Water is the fight of the 21st Century. Oil was this last century. Water for the future. And countries will do whatever is necessary for it.
anyone dare to argue with that !!!