The India democracy - 'by the people' again? ....

One Ghandhian…one man … started a hunger strike to force the government of India to pull together a real anti-corruption bill, rather than the sham they were working on. The extent of popular support from across the country took everyone by surprise and within a matter of days the government had to agree.

Such is the power of people, such is the power of a Ghandhian. Jai Bharath!

Ofcourse there are the usual debates about what is the best method etc…analysts live for analysis paralysis!

http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2011/04/08/fight-against-corruption-good-what-about-the-method/

         		   		        		      **Fight against corruption good; what about the method?**

	 Apr 8, 2011 21:17 IST

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Even as Anna Hazare’s protest demanding an anti-draft bill gains nationwide momentum and [nears a solution](http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/04/08/idINIndia-56207920110408), there has been some criticism of the methods the veteran social activist has adopted in his crusade.

While everyone seems to agree with demands of more transparency in the system and more accountability in governance, Hazare’s fasting to force the government to accept his demands has led to some calling his tactics as being unconstitutional and unreasonable.
The primary argument is, if a single man can launch a protest, and within four days can virtually force the government to come up with a tweaked version of a legislative bill, does it augur well for a democracy?

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“The movement behind the Jan Lokpal Bill is crossing the lines of reasonableness. It is premised on an institutional imagination that is at best naïve; at worst subversive of representative democracy,” wrote political analyst Pratap Bhanu Mehta in the Indian Express.
In a column titled “Of the few, by the few,” Mehta says the claim that the “people” are not represented by elected representatives, but are represented by their self-appointed guardians is disturbing.
“Most of us sharply disagree with elected government on matters even more important than corruption. But no matter how cogent our arguments, it does not give us the right to say that our virtue entitles us to dictate policy to a representative process,” he wrote.
Also, many others have pointed out that the government is not against the anti-corruption legislation, or the so-called Lokpal (Ombudsman) bill. The government has in fact promised such a bill.
But Hazare and his supporters have demanded the bill be strengthened to give the ombudsman police-like powers to prosecute politicians and bureaucrats, including judges and members of the prime minister’s office.
Hazare’s supporters, however, say that the Lokpal bill, if implemented the way the protesters have demanded, will only bring more accountability to the system without being the solitary decision-making body on corruption.
“Don’t think the Lokpal will become all powerful. The people will be watching. The media will be watching and there is the court above the Lokpal,” said former Justice Santosh Hegde, who is one of the protesters’ nominees to head the panel against corruption.
The Open magazine, on Thursday, argued that television coverage has made Anna’s protests a bigger event than what it actually is, comparing it to “an absolute farce” like the toppling of Saddam Hussein’s statue in Baghdad’s Firdos Square.
The fact that Hazare and his supporters demand participation of common people in the decision-making process, despite the presence of elected leaders, is termed by some as undemocratic in itself.
“Civil society activists must realise that in democracy, laws have 2b made by elected legislators,” Shashi Tharoor, former U.N. Under-Secretary General and a member of parliament, wrote on his Twitter page.
“The cause is a good one, in the sense that everyone is opposed to corruption. The public opinion is strong,” said B.G. Verghese, a professor at the Centre for Policy Research.
“But the method is completely wrong and some of the demands are quite unacceptable…it will be totally unconstitutional,” he said.

Re: The India democracy - 'by the people' again? ....

Anna Hazare , a Gandhian from a remote Maharashtrian village is the new Hero of India

  1. Who is Anna Hazare?

An ex-army man. Fought 1965 Indo-Pak War

  1. What's so special about him?

He built a village Ralegaon Siddhi in Ahamad Nagar district, Maharashtra

  1. So what?

This village is a self-sustained model village. Energy is produced in the village itself from solar power, biofuel and wind mills.

In 1975, it used to be a poverty clad village. Now it is one of the richest village in India. It has become a model for self-sustained, eco-friendly harmonic village.

  1. Ok,...?

This guy, Anna Hazare was awarded Padma Bhushan and is a known figure for his social activities.

  1. Really, what is he fighting for?

He is supporting a cause, the amendment of a law to curb corruption in India.

  1. How that can be possible?

He is advocating for a Bil, The Jan Lokpal Bill (The Citizen Ombudsman Bill), that will form an autonomous authority who will make politicians (ministers), beurocrats (IAS/IPS) accountable for their deeds.

  1. It's an entirely new thing right..?

In 1972, the bill was proposed by then Law minister Mr. Shanti Bhushan. Since then it has been neglected by the politicians and some are trying to change the bill to suit thier theft (corruption).

  1. Oh.. He is going on a hunger strike for that whole thing of passing a Bill ! How can that be possible in such a short span of time?

The first thing he is asking for is: the government should come forward and announce that the bill is going to be passed.

Next, they make a joint committee to DRAFT the JAN LOKPAL BILL. 50% goverment participation and 50% public participation. Because you cant trust the government entirely for making such a bill which does not suit them.

  1. Fine, What will happen when this bill is passed?

A LokPal will be appointed at the centre. He will have an autonomous charge, say like the Election Commission of India. In each and every state, Lokayukta will be appointed. The job is to bring all alleged party to trial in case of corruptions within 1 year. Within 2 years, the guilty will be punished. Not like, Bofors scam or Bhopal Gas Tragedy case, that has been going for last 25 years without any result.

  1. Is he alone? Whoelse is there in the fight with Anna Hazare?

Baba Ramdev, Ex. IPS Kiran Bedi, Social Activist Swami Agnivesh, RTI activist Arvind Kejriwal and many more.

Prominent personalities like Aamir Khan is supporting his cause.

  1. Ok, got it. What can I do?

At least we can spread the message. How?

Putting status message, links, video, changing profile pics.

At least we can support Anna Hazare and the cause for uprooting corruption from India.

At least we can hope that his Hunger Strike does not go in vain.

At least we can pray for his good health.

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Indians are fed up with Corruption

  • a lot of people / school kids are holding placard bills , asking for the Lokpal bill to be passed. When asked , they had no idea what it was all about. All they said was it will help remove corruption.

  • we have had reqsts from protestors( north indian youth as well south mumbai rich) asking to run programs on who Anna Hazare was and his claim to fame as they had no idea ! They said they came for the candle light march as they were fed up of the corruption.

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everybody is fed up with the level of corruption that's despicable and outrageous. i LOVE Hazare saaHab and thank him for doing what he did to force the corrupt politicians to be accountable. i also think that GENERAL PUBLIC is also very CORRUPT and they need to be disciplined as well. nothing gets done anywhere without paying bribe. shame!

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There is another Indian who is on hunger strike for more than a decade.

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:smiley: How long did it take you to google this ?

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Iconoclast - please don't distract and derail this thread with your nonsense.

Latest I read is that the joint panel has been formed to effect the Bill. I hope and pray this sets India in the right direction to get rid of endemic corruption. The stories I am reading about the money distribution in TN for the elections are disgusting.

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^How is that nonsense? Why is that womans fast any less worthy then this Ana Hazares?

When it suites you, you gush over your Ghandian heritage, and shower this man with praise. But you disregard someone who is doing the same exact thing, because in that case, you dont agree with the cause?!?! Here this woman is fasting for 10 years, is force fed by a tube, and not one of you has the decency to acknowledge her struggle?

What a bunch of hypocrite... Ghandi would be disgusted.

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should we gush over your taliban and humanbomb heritage ? we are not the country who have left lacs of bihari starving in bangladesh and bothering about some nut case who is still continuing her ten years fast and is hail and hearty, shame less propogandists like you support them . you cant differentiate between a gandhian social worker with 40 years proven social work and has a lot of regard in the eyes of the common people and a traitor women put up by enemies of india.

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^Either show us the proof that she is planted by enemies of India or stop bull$hiting.

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@Med911 & icon - nothing against you guys wanting to discuss Chanu & Manipur. Just make it a separate discussion instead of clouding this one. I meant this one to be about the question whether, in the current state of endemic corruption in India which most agree is the worst problem that India faces, does the phenom of Ari.Anna Hazare perhaps indicate India's democracy & 'by the people' become the savior?

Hazare captured the unsolicited support across the country and this he did without the only two working mass-platforms in India viz politics and movies.

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Its a good job he has done so far though implementation is a whole lot different story.

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And who cares if Indian democracy is by the people or aliens. I mean this is Pakistani forum and Pakistanis don't care . Take this Indian news to proper Indian forum where your article may hold some value.

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Wow ! And this is just your 5th post :hoonh:

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Nevertheless, started good isn't it?

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hi bro,

isn't it world affairs thread. :)

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I have no particular oppinion or intrest in Manipur or Chanu. I just find it detestable that u would be so dismissive of this woman and her struggle, all while gushing and slobering over this Ana person, who ur calling the modern Ghandi.
I cant help but wonder why your police or whoever didnt stick a tube down his throat and force feed him...

There is great deal of hypocracy on display here, which makes this whole thread seem extremely contrived.

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i don't want to get in any of indo-pak war but Ana's fasting as much significance then chanu :)

today's biggest hurdle in our country is corruption.at this time we need a person like 70 year old Ana to bring the country's youth and middle class together agains't corruption

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QUOTE=babloos;8192019]i don't want to get in any of indo-pak war but Ana's fasting as much significance then chanu :)

today's biggest hurdle in our country is corruption.at this time we need a person like 70 year Ana to bring the country's youth and middle class together agains't corruption
[/QUOTE]

Thats a better reply then the reply given by others. But lets face it. There is areason why in the case of the woman fasting for ten years they could get away wth force feeding her, but succumbed to hazarre. It seems to have a lot to do with media hype and public pressure, which isnt there in the womans case.

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Lets be clear here. One Anna Hazare fasting could not have done much, but the fact that masses saw the cause that he stood for and joined him is what made the govt. give in. THAT is the topic of this thread.

Chanu on the other hand has been fasting alone for a decade.

Even her fellow Manipuris have not joined her. :hmmm: I wonder why, but thats topic for another day.

No mass movement = no action by the govt.