The Implications of considering Quran the Creator or Created (khaliq or makhlooq)

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Re: The Implications of considering Quran the Creator or Created (khaliq or makhlooq)

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The openining post has stated deceivingly that Ash’ari believe that Qur’an is Khaliq, rather this is the accusation made by the Mutazili.

Highly unlikely. Mutazila were defeated long time ago. Their books were scrapped. It is not possible that Mutazila ‘accusations’ would continue to have survived.
Books by Mu’tazila were hardly known by the world until 1950s.

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal suffered great ordeals at the hands of Mamoon who asserted that the Qur’an was created.

This discussion does not belong to this thread.
But it is true. Ahmad Hanbal’s and Ghazali’s traditionalist approach is what Reilly calls the “intellectual suicide” of Muslims.
Of course, most people here are not going to agree with this analysis. Many of us would still think that a shalwar above the ankles and wearing of pagrri and using maswak and not taking pictures, is the essence of Islam.
THAT’s the intellectual suicide.