Do angels and shayateen merely influence your moral decisions (whatever earns you gunah or sawab) or do they have a contribution in say, your work or education or wealth or general well being?
also, what exactly are shayateen supposed to be? in christian theology i guess they’d be the angels that followed satan in rebellion. we have no such concept, since shaitaan was a jinn which gave him free will which enabled him to rebel.
are they fellow jinns?
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Jinn having free will also have the ability to choose right from wrong. So, as much as people like to malign them, Jinn may also worship Allah or deny Him.
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I always thought shaiytaan was an angel????
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also, what exactly are shayateen supposed to be? in christian theology i guess they'd be the angels that followed satan in rebellion. we have no such concept, since shaitaan was a jinn which gave him free will which enabled him to rebel.
are they fellow jinns?
Yes they are fellow evil jinns.
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I always thought shaiytaan was an angel????
Angels dont go against the Will of Allah, they are pure and free from sin.
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thanks sharaabi, any basis for that?
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Anybody who can prove angels, shaitan or jinns to me gets a reward of $1 from me.....Anyone for the taking or shd I concur that its all in the mind !
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Anybody who can prove angels, shaitan or jinns to me gets a reward of $1 from me.....Anyone for the taking or shd I concur that its all in the mind !
no need to prove
angles,shaitaans and jinns all written in holy QURAN
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thanks sharaabi, any basis for that?
I shall have them for you by tommorow inshallah. I need to look into my books for exact quotes and references.
Anybody who can prove angels, shaitan or jinns to me gets a reward of $1 from me.....Anyone for the taking or shd I concur that its all in the mind !
Do you have any proof of their inexistance apart from your inability to prove their existance.
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I always thought shaiytaan was an angel????
Shaiytaan i.e. Iblis was a Jinn...
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shaiyteen are jins. Angels don't disobey Allah (S.w.t) so angels can't be evil
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Do angels and shayateen merely influence your moral decisions (whatever earns you gunah or sawab) or do they have a contribution in say, your work or education or wealth or general well being?
also, what exactly are shayateen supposed to be? in christian theology i guess they'd be the angels that followed satan in rebellion. we have no such concept, since shaitaan was a jinn which gave him free will which enabled him to rebel.
are they fellow jinns?
You have asked two questions , both of them are not only very interesting but also very thought provoking, at least to me. I will try to answer the second part first. In Judaism and Christianity Azazel, rugged and strong mountain, is considered as a deity of impurity and have almost the same place as Iblis among Muslims. Azazel is represented in the Book of Enoch as the leader of the rebellious giants in the time preceding to the great flood; he taught people the art of warfare, of making swords, knives, shields, and coats of mail, and women the art of deception by ornamenting the body, dyeing the hair, and painting the face, in essence Azazel was believed to be an evil sprit in the form of human.
In Islam the concept of Shaitan, Satan, is different and I will try to explain that within the light of my own understating and perception of the idea later in my take on the subject. Before I go ahead we must understand that shaitan is neither omnipotent nor omniscient , anyone with this kind of understanding is trying to find parallels with Allah (SAW), which is shirk. The relationship of shaitan with Human beings is horizontal (one to one)as oppose to vertical (one to all)relationship that Allah (SAW) maintains with us.
Shaitan, before he turned into Iblis, was leader of Jins and owing to his obedience and IBADAT was elevated and joined the ranks of Angles, however not without the sense of superiority which later brought the demise of spiritual elevation. I will not go into the details of what happened afterwards and how Iblis was given permission to live till the Day of Judgment, and how he was successful to make ADAM (AS)eat the forbidden fruit.
** Here is my take on the concept of shaitan. We all know that human beings are made of clay, mud, and the characteristics of mud is that the seeds of cactus never grow roses. Disobedience is seed of Iblis and the first victim of this seed was no one but ADAM (AS). To my understanding Allah’s (SWA) disobedience is not an act in isolation, it induces permanent results in the form of gene mutation which we pass onto our next generation. The seeds of disobedience that ADAM (AS) passed onto next generation
resulted in the first heinous crime that one human being inflicted upon other fellow human when Habeel (Abel) killed Qabeel (Cain)**.
In short, Shaitan does not have to approach every individual , it lives inside us, we have to fight this devil every day, and this is the real test of human beings. Religion in its most basic form is an anodyne to the feeling of devil living inside us and TAUBA (repent) in its purist form is an antidote. I may explain how later.
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so if i understand you, youre saying shaitan is a genetic mutation caused by the sins of our parents??
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so if i understand you, youre saying shaitan is a genetic mutation caused by the sins of our parents??
yes and no is the answer. The words that I have written are not presenting the contents that are self sustainable without the light of context, and further elaboration of the idea. I will come back later.......
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so.. anyone? can you tell me whether shayateen and angels have an impact on the decisions you make or do they directly influence things like rozi/health etc
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From my understanding Angels have nothing to do with our decisions they simply record things and inform Allah :swt:. They do not have the ability to make decisions they simply follow orders from Allah :swt:. So if ONLY Allah :swt: wills ONLY than the angel will do something for us (human) still it would be considered as following order of Allah :swt: not their (Angels) own decisions.
How ever its different with shayateen. They have a free will as human’s do. They can decide on their own what is right what is wrong and they can make decisions for their good or bad. When a human commits a sin it could be due to the fact the thoughts were provoked by shaytaan but that does not mean shaytaan made the person commit that sin. Shaytaan could put “waswasa” or make you think by provoking wrong thoughts in your head but I don’t think the shaytaan can actually make you do or commit sins. Once the thought is provoked than the shaytaan keeps on trying till the person commits the sin. Now thats where we humans and our minds comes into play. Even though the thought has been provoked but Allah :swt: gave us the ability to think whats right and whats wrong and make our decision based on whats right and whats wrong. Thats why its said to be in good company and surround yourself with good people so if these bad thoughts are provoked in you than your surroundings and your company will help you eliminate it.
It is said in one of the hadeeth that the shaytaan runs in your vain as blood flows through your vain. He (shaytaan) can certainly get inside our bodies and do Allah knows what but I am yet to find out if he can force you physically to commit a sin. I am still pondering on this hadeeth and still trying to understand it properly. If he can get into our body and flow with our blood in the vain, than can he force us do bad things. I doubt it but not 100%. But when I look at the sins committed by people it seems like that can’t be done by a human but than every human has different temper so who knows…ONLY Allah :swt: knows. The best way to avoid is be in touch with your religion…do not miss on Sallah…recite Quran as much as you can…and try to be in good company.
This is all based on my opinion\understanding\knowledge so far I have learned and still learing. 
oh I forgot to comment on your question about rozi/health.
That comes all from Allah :swt: Angels or shayateen has nothing to do with it. There is a hadeeth Prophet Muhammad :saw: said pray nafal (apart from obligatory Sallah), recite Quran and make dua to ask Allah :swt: for good wealt/health…that will help you increase your wealth and good health.
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Nice.........What a logical way to blame your bad behavior...My Shaitan in me is working now..: )
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^ hmmm I wonder if you are commenting on my post? :) If so than I wonder which part of my post made you think that its a nice logical way to blame shaytan. Can we hear something constructive or an answer to the orignal question from you instead of playing the blame\logical\ilogical game? :)
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i just saw this reply.
you say Angels can only record things and inform Allah. As I understand it, that is the designated function of the two angels associated with every person. However I hear things on this forum that doing XYZ keeps angels from entering the house (obviously recording deeds is a responsibility they have to do regardless of what you do). You also hear they have a certain additional role to play beyond recording your actions for example on shab e qadar. Is this true?
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Your understanding is correct on the angels associated with every person to record bad and good deeds. For your next question on angels not entering the house based on doing XYZ is not related to those angels that are associated with every person. These are other angels who enter our house to bring “barakah” if we do good things. For example if a person gets up at night and pray Tahajut prayer that act of worship will make more angles to enter his/her house as compare to a person sitting all night long and watching TV/movies or what ever. That act of bad deed will keep the angels away and let the shayateen enter the house. I hope that clears the confusion.
The other day I heard that when rain falls every drop is carried down by an angel. If we could see the unseen things around us I think we may not even have 0.9999 % doubt in our hearts but than whats the point of being tested. By this I do not mean to say you have any doubts about religion…its all between you and Allah :swt:.