the Halal/haram debate

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My rule of life is pretty simple. I decided about few years ago that I will never let my taste buds rule my life, or to let my cravings take over my ability to choose. Because of that rule. I quit eating lobster and later shrimp, and I love shrimp. I did that only after I found out that in Hanafi sect, they are not considered halal.

But then its a personal choice, and by doing that, I enjoy the pride in knowing that I have self control - more than the pride I take in my piousness (well that is not there anyways).

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Never did. But these chocolates are stuff we gift ppl and we have beek eating them even in Pak. And now it says they contain alcohol flavourings. :bummer:
And its not even on the ingredients. So if thats the case, how do we know whatever we are eating doesnt even use alcohol as a solvent/carrier let alone an ingredient.

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It is almost impossible to never ingest small amounts of gelatin or other enzymes from pig or alcohol unless you are doing detailed research on every product. Heck even staples like bread, yogurt, cheese may or may not have enzymes derived from pig. This is a tough topic and I totally agree we wont starve if we didn't eat most of this food. We can try our best and stay away from foods which are clearly not halal but it gets hard to research every product.

All these products which have minuscule amounts of questionable ingredients are also found in Pakistan but no one ever thinks about it. So, just because a product is found in Pakistan doesn't mean its halal either and that's a bummer.

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If a pig dies and his body decomposes and couple of years later some plant grows out of that land, can we eat that plant?

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can someone put this in Religion?

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Personally I wont eat it because of 'karhayat' irrespective of the fact that it has minor quantity that can not intoxicate.

As TLK said, I m not the slave of my taste bud. If I dont have that feel-good factor with something, I wont eat it.

Khuda nai hazaroon naimateen aata kee hain khaney k leyee, I'll just move onto next one.

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No please I'd rather have it stay here :). I take this as a debate on a practical and daily basis with the religious knowledge in the background.

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Yes, that's easy to say but I don't think most people realize these ingredients are found in more products then they know or could even imagine.

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Thats why always like to stick to the brands/items that we have made sure have no such ingredients.

Now if we ended up eating something without knowledge, Inshallah maafi mil jayee gee :)

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Fresh fruit juice contains a very small quantity of alcohol that forms naturally in the fruit. For example, orange juice is between 0.1% and 0.3% alcohol, depending on how long the fruit was stored before being juiced.

Quezi » How much alcohol is in orange juice?

So in light of this evidence, will you now start feeling guilty about drinking orange juice? About 20-30 glasses of orange juice will deliver the same amount of ethanol into your system as a glass of weak beer.

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That is quite a surprising info maddy. Did not know that. Good sharing.

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InshAllah, maafi mil jayee gee and that was precisely my point it is so easy to eat or use products that may have minuscule amounts of such ingredients. It's great to hear that you have researched all the products you use.

Personally, my family has not researched every product but if something clearly says gelatin on the label we don't use it.

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and the net tightens ! :confused:

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completely agree

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It's a matter of personal preference, but I absolutely hate it when others will judge you on the specifics of your halal/haram habits.

I take every practical caution within my ability to eat only zabihah/halal or vegetarian where halal is not an option, but I do not look down on those who don't differentiate between halal and zabihah halal... or those who use one halal meat vendor/brand over another.

In the end, we all try what we can... we should leave the "judging" to Allah - also, rather than making our lives extremely miserable by trying to focus on the minute details, I find solace and assurance in my God's word: "yureed Allah bikum al yusr wa laa yureed bikum al u'sr" (He wishes ease for you and He does not wish difficulty for you).

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Well the remaining of decompose body of the pig, can be seen as a fertilizer just like the other natural waste of animal & human being which is also Haraam but can be used as a fertilizer.

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This is the point I wanted to come with mrayyazee. What you said means that if the parts of pig's body changes composition then its no longer pig. That is exactly what some scholars think. They say that the way we extract gelatin (or likes) from an animal's body changes the composition and that ingredient cannot be labeled as pig/cow and what not.

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I like that argument and relate to it.

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woah :eek: that’s news to me

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I am not saying that I follow that logic in my personal life. I am just stating what some scholars think and they do have a point there.