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Yeah sure checkout the size of slums today, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago, 59 years ago.
Almost 800 million have no access to sanitation and defecate out in the open that is great progress.
Of course reality is pathetic for an Indian, hard facts are hard to swallow… Mighty $400 per-capita is something only an Indian can brag about…
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please articulate what it is that you are refuting.
you are refuting the notion of indian economic growth and progress, is that correct?
reality? oh so you agree with my assessment of slovenia and oman?
this is hilarious…i’m curious as to what other bogus economic indicators can be used to inflate pakistan’s economic profile to levels beyond its traditional reputation as a basketcase. per capita military defeats? this will make you guys a world superduper power.
btw, what is “$400 per capita”? surely you aren’t referring to india’s per capita gdp, which will be about $800 this year.
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One closer look at history of the region and it becomes evident that it is India which is the root cause and inflamer of much of the terrorism and instability in the region. While it is quick to blame others for carrying out such activities, it rarely has ever blamed itself for carrying out similar deeds, a deadly mix with a nation facing dozens of separatists movements, chronic poverty and disenchantment and possession of nuclear/chemical and weapons of mass destruction(WMD).
It has long been accused of foreign interference, particularly its intelligence agency (RAW - a menace 100 x more dangerous than Pakistan's ISI) This indian intelligence agency-RAW has been implicated in bombing campaigns targeting innocent civilians in Bangladesh, Kashmir, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, China, Afghanistan, Nepal and even Burma; a staggering number of countries.
It has a long standing border dispute with Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and China with which it went war and lost in 1962. Its continuing reluctance to settle the issue of Kashmir with neighboring Pakistan has led to an increase in militancy within its territory and nuclear brinkmanship with Pakistan, its continued interference in the affairs of Sri Lanka, first helping to create Tamil resistance groups(terrorist outfits known for suicide missions) to divert attention from its own larger Tamil province and later physically sending its troops there only to be humiliated, having their prime minister assassinated and hurriedly retreating.
The fact of the matter is that India has border disputes with all of its neighbors bar no exception. It unnecessarily introduced nuclear weapons into South Asia back in 1974(detonating a nuclear device a mere 30 kms from Pakistan’s border) along a procurement program involving illegal and often controversial channels. A move that forced its rival Pakistan to follow suit several years later and made the region one of the most dangerous places in the world. For a culture which supposedly prides itself on its peaceful-ness, India has been quite contradictory.
Its people have often been easily manipulated and drummed up into a frenzy over religious, cultural and ethnic differences. For it was an Indian hindu that assassinated the late Mohatma Gandhi. It forcefully occupied several princely states(Kashmir, Haiderabad) and colonies (eg. Portuguese colony of Goa, Sikkhim) and at several instances broken international law to fulfill its malicious intention(falsifying Kashmir's ascension to India) and crimes against humanity(eg. laying bricks/blocking the major water channels leading into Pakistan in 1948)
During the 1980's, it sent its troops into the Sikh's holiest shrine and caused unimaginable destruction both in property and loss of life, something the Sikhs will never forgive and plan on revenging. The fact that the Sikhs are a large Diaspora around the world, flooding out of India at every given opportunity is testament to this. While they organize themselves abroad and seek creation of their own independent state often requesting the assistance of Pakistan, rather unsuccessfully, to meet this aim.
Its involvement in the internal affairs of Afghanistan and support to warlords till just a few years ago remained unchecked. India's treatment of its Muslim and Christian minorities is also abysmal, with force-full conversions back to hinduism, social/class/job restrictions quite similar to the apartheid formerly practiced in South Africa and the abuse and rapes perpetuated on Christians and other minorities are occurring in disturbing numbers. Include to this, the multitude of Separatist movements within the country (eg. Kashmir, Tamil Nadu, Nagaland, Goa etc..) and add to this deadly tail of a large, undisclosed and poorly managed nuclear weapons program along with a large arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and you have a very deadly mix.
On greater analysis, it is India which is the country to watch for, for its a volatile area waiting to explode. If history is any marker, it shows that we should see some major upheaval in this country in the near future. India's current hegemonic and arrogant nature even right now is not a good indicator of how a nation should behave. Its treatment of its own citizens in particular its minorities and even hindu lower classes are abhorrent and archaic in the 21st century.
An upheaval which is going to be disastrous and dangerous if not checked and restrained now is bound to occur in the uncontrollable balloon called India, which is near bursting. The world needs to focus on the true 'Source' of instability and terror in the region in the form of India with its large stock of weapons of mass destruction, racial discrimination/caste system, hegemonic nature and interference in surround nations. We could be dealing with a big problem on our hands!!
Brother sal35 has given most befitting response to ur post, All I have to say is just to remind U that ur own great country, the first and only one in the world formed in the name of Islam, has earned the dubious distinction of export house and factory of terrorists, U must be knowing it. its time that u try and educate ur own ppls not to give bad name to the religion of peace and love. Its sad that U are busy showing ur hatred for ur peacefull neighours. Wake up before its too late, ALLAH is closely watching ur hate-inspired activities.
NIKLE HO ABHI ABHI MAIKADE SE TUM
DAABE HUE BAGAL ME SURAHI SHARAB KI
HUZOOR APNE AAP KO NA SUFI JATAIYE
MALOOM HAI HUMKO HAQIQAT E HUHAK JANAB KI.
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Prove it with ground realities, prove it that Indias neighbors are the biggest slums in the universe, are home to mass starvations and suicides due to starvations… Prove it that that almost 80 percent defecate outside because there is no access to sanitation… Now compare it with India and see th eprogress India has made and is making…
LOL, try hard eventually you will divert the thread.
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this is hilarious…i’m curious as to what other bogus economic indicators can be used to inflate pakistan’s economic profile to levels beyond its traditional reputation as a basketcase. per capita military defeats? this will make you guys a world superduper power.
India home to starvations, disease, massive slums etc… is a real economy but those who don’t have those attributes are a basket case… :LMAO: What next 
Is this 800 figure using Dr. Angus Deaton specific formulla for India? LOL..
Stick to very basics and tell us which country in the region is home to..
I will add more latter mean while this is enough to give you heart burns. 
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Do better than showing me a jealous Paki’s blog 
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Not very fair of U Babuji......U are expecting something too much from him:) , plz understand his limitations.
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do you know what the word “progress” means? it implies a trend, not a cure.
lol, the indian economy is adding pakistan’s entire gdp every year.
who is diverting? my example is a very clear illustration of how pathetic your logic was. why are you so afraid to address my comments on per capita exports?
please tell me the reason why the Indian economy has been written about as a cover story or feature story in every single major business/economics publication, on a routine basis…while nobody has ever written about Pakistan’s economy?
according to you, this shouldn’t be happening. what is the explanation?
yes, it is a very special top-secret method called “basic math”. i will let you in on this secret:
[current GDP x (1+ gdp growth rate)]/population = $781 bil x (1.083)/1.05 bil = $806 gdp per capita.
a pakistani talking about indian economic progress with an indian…and the indian should be getting heart burn? 
wow.
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Finally INDIA should be seen as a role model to dream and make the whole world a single democratic country.
When a nation of one billion people can be successful then six billion people too can live as a single nation.
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Get rid of your Caste system and reach out and touch one of those 200 million untouchables and then we will talk dreamer. Right now leave the other 5 billion people to look after themselves without your phony ideas.
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Economy seems to be a sore point for Pakistanis. Thats the reason they leave no stone unturned to prove that India’s economic growth is not for real. But those of us who live in India or have ties back home, know what the ground reality is. I am sure even if these people visited India instead of relying on propaganda and saw it for themselves, they would still not believe it.
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it is a very simple case of selective comprehension.
out of every 100 articles published about the indian economic scene, they will ignore the 98 reporting on the positive effects of the economic boom, and harp on the remaining 2 articles that remind us of obvious problems.
this is the only way they can keep peace of mind. just think about it.
as they read said 100 articles, every time they see one of those 2 negative articles, it is like a thirsty man walking in a hot desert for 20 miles and finally stumbling upon an oasis, at which point another 20 miles of suffering awaits before the next oasis. similarly, with our friends here, after seeing so many reminders of the indian economic boom all over the place, every time some bad news comes it’s like christmas for them. let them enjoy it while they can, bro.
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Indian and talking about progress I was wondering why the universe was shaking!!! 20 years of progress and what have you produced… Slums and starvations… Your GDP is not worth the paper its written on if you have noting to show for it..
No body has written about Pak economy..LOL… Blind hatred or selective reading? do you even know what has been Paks growth rate in last few years? But then how could you, for you vast majority of Indian poor don’t count now do they..
I bet (WDI) World Development Index released 2006 report on India was hijacked by Shri ISI!! LOL…
here is an excerpt of that report from WDI.
** Reality check starts here
Given the huge positive press that India has received in recent times, it is sobering to discover that India’s per capita income is just a shade higher than that of sub-Saharan Africa, and about one-sixth that of Latin America. **
Forget about percapita you would’nt know if you were one instead of ducking the questions just answer how come with 20 years of progress that you crow from roof tops how come only you have mass starvations and giagantic slums that are second to none.
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Reality check starts here
*Given the huge positive press that India has received in recent times, it is sobering to discover that India's per capita income is just a shade higher than that of sub-Saharan Africa, and about one-sixth that of Latin America. *:D
Can you provide a link to the report ?
Per capita indices do not make sense for a country with a 1bn + population. With double the GDP of the US, India would still have half the per capita GDP because the US has 1/4th the population of India.
Also, the law of diminishing marginal returns applies here - as the population grows the per capita numbers will fall, since it is not possible to generate same per capita with 1 bn people as with 100 mn.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5116596.stm
By your logic which means vast majority of Indians will be poor and some very very poor… Perhaps Chinese who do not boast of their progress have a lot to show for should be used as an example.
P.S: Chinese example is used because of its size that is comparable to India.
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Another example of selective reading 
From the same article -
“So what India has excelled in is sustained growth. It is this that has given rise to hope. And, combined with the vibrancy of democracy and the successes of higher education in India, this has led some commentators to argue that its future augurs even better than China’s.”
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By your logic which means vast majority of Indians will be poor and some very very poor... Perhaps Chinese who do not boast of their progress have a lot to show for should be used as an example.
P.S: Chinese example is used because of its size that is comparable to India.
Pls read the articles you post. That would save you some embarassment :)
The answer lies in the link you posted -
*"Inequality in South Asia is large but not as large as in much of the rest of the world. *
*Let us consider the ratio of income earned by **country's richest 10% and the poorest 10%. The ratio for India is 7.3. That is, the richest 10% of the population is a little over seven times as rich as the poorest 10%. *
All South Asian nations have similar ratios.
This is a lot of inequality but **not as much as in China which has a ratio of 18.4 or the United States 15.7. "**
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Speak of right now, right now your percapita is comparable with Sub-Saharan Africa… Bombay was only 2 percent slums when the Brits left today Slumbay is over 60 percent slums… What holds 10, 20 years down the road is something you don’t know.
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You must not take reports out of context to server your agenda… here is an excerpt of the same report from WDI…
** Equally surprising is that 35% of India’s population lives on less than $1 a day, which is comparable to Bangladesh’s 36% and much worse than Pakistan’s 17% and Sri Lanka’s 6%. **
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:nono: aadmi ko apni aukaat dekh ke baat karna chahiye, jaa bahchce lassi pi and thand rakh…
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*Equally surprising is that 35% of India's population lives on less than $1 a day, which is comparable to Bangladesh's 36% and much worse than Pakistan's 17% and Sri Lanka's 6%. *
Dude, do you know what $ 1 per day can buy in India ? This statistic may not feel that alarming if you knew that.
And what you have quoted just proves my point - there is a huge disparity between rich & poor. However that is not as bad as what US & China have :) And I bring up China only because you compared Indian with China.
Net result is that India is better than a lot of countries on some metrics & worse than a lot of countries on some others. However, as Indians we feel positive about our country and I think thats all that matters.
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There is always desparity and always will be and in every country but you simply cannot compare poor in India with poor in US. There is hell a lot of difference beween poor in India and poor in US. Its well known in US that those who do not want to work are poor…
In india there are poor and then there are very very poor and then those who die due to starvations and that is something you can only compare to Sub-Saharan Africa.