StirCrasy, I wouldnt even discuss with you on this topic. Since I believe everyone has Its own religion, thus tradition and culture. So be IT!
But what worries me most: The change of hinduism over the years. I still consider hinduism (by It’s very beginning) to be a monotheism form of religion. But human have changed It over the years aggravating. Therefore many hindus worship 10-20 gods. Is this really what hinduism is all about?
I do have my doubts on this.
But well lets not fall into this discussion deeply, warna phir posts delete ho jaye gi.
Re: 11 Hindu Extremists jailed for raping a Muslim sister & murdering her family
StirCrasy, I wouldnt even discuss with you on this topic. Since I believe everyone has Its own religion, thus tradition and culture. So be IT! But what worries me most: The change of hinduism over the years. I still consider hinduism (by It's very beginning) to be a monotheism form of religion. But human have changed It over the years aggravating. Therefore many hindus worship 10-20 gods. Is this really what hinduism is all about? I do have my doubts on this. But well lets not fall into this discussion deeply, warna phir posts delete ho jaye gi.
It's more pantheistic rather than monotheistic, as in God is seen everywhere and Hindus see the divinity in all that's around including all living things. The many gods are really the incarnations of the one true God.
It's just PD tries his hardest to insult and demean India and specifically Hindus that most of the time he crosses the line. Anyway, hopefully this is the beginning of the process of finding and convicting the guilty in Gujarat.
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It's more pantheistic rather than monotheistic, as in God is seen everywhere and Hindus see the divinity in all that's around including all living things. The many gods are really the incarnations of the one true God.
It's just PD tries his hardest to insult and demean India and specifically Hindus that most of the time he crosses the line. Anyway, hopefully this is the beginning of the process of finding and convicting the guilty in Gujarat.
But Krishna is your "main" God isnt he? So why all those idols, when you need to worship one Krishna.
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But Krishna is your "main" God isnt he? So why all those idols, when you need to worship one Krishna.
Not all will consider krishna as "main" god. Some may consider some other god as "main" god. There are so many gods to suit the tastes of every individual, irrespective of whether those gods exist or not. But for those who consider themselves as devotees of one of those gods, those gods are a reality.
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But what worries me most: The change of hinduism over the years. I still consider hinduism (by It's very beginning) to be a monotheism form of religion. But human have changed It over the years aggravating. Therefore many hindus worship 10-20 gods. Is this really what hinduism is all about? I do have my doubts on this. But well lets not fall into this discussion deeply, warna phir posts delete ho jaye gi.
Why should that worry you or anyone for that matter? So what, let the religion change - nothing wrong. God worship is only a part of a religion. My understanding of Sanathana Dharma is that Hinduism is a very personal thing and hence the numerous definitions of Gods and worship etc.
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Why should that worry you or anyone for that matter? So what, let the religion change - nothing wrong. God worship is only a part of a religion. My understanding of Sanathana Dharma is that Hinduism is a very personal thing and hence the numerous definitions of Gods and worship etc.
Religion is always personal matter (everyone has to deal with It on Its own way) and yet It does effect on others as well. Since the environment of yours is effected directly or indirectly by you too. Hence your religion is part of you.
I am bothered about the fact tp change a religion for your own cause my suit you now for present days. But the losses you have had to take for all the sacrifies (cultural, traditional) you made are huge. So huge that one day you loose all of what hinduism in It's fundamental ways once was. How can you then claim being a hindu. You could call that religion xyz. Getting me?
Re: The God Concept of Hinduism split: 11 Hindu Extremists jailed for raping a Musli
more of a religion discussion...this.
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I am bothered about the fact tp change a religion for your own cause my suit you now for present days. But the losses you have had to take for all the sacrifies (cultural, traditional) you made are huge. So huge that one day you loose all of what hinduism in It's fundamental ways once was. How can you then claim being a hindu. You could call that religion xyz. Getting me?
That is the difference between Sanatha Dharma based religions (Hinduism, Bhuddhism) and others. Once a person attains the knowledge to strive for self realization, there is a sort of guarantee that the path is a righteous one. The risk is only upto the point of reaching such knowledge of need for self realization. God, mantras, rulesets, varnas everything are tools to get to that point.
There isn't even a need to claim to be a "Hindu"...afterall that name itself came much later
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That is the difference between Sanatha Dharma based religions (Hinduism, Bhuddhism) and others. Once a person attains the knowledge to strive for self realization, there is a sort of guarantee that the path is a righteous one. The risk is only upto the point of reaching such knowledge of need for self realization. God, mantras, rulesets, varnas everything are tools to get to that point.
There isn't even a need to claim to be a "Hindu"...afterall that name itself came much later
What is your religion called then?
I had heard about this regarding Bhuddhism, but there is a difference between Bhuddist and Hindus. Or has time passed away so quickly that we have merged both religion into one? I must have missed something then.
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Why should that worry you or anyone for that matter? So what, let the religion change - nothing wrong. God worship is only a part of a religion. My understanding of Sanathana Dharma is that Hinduism is a very personal thing and hence the numerous definitions of Gods and worship etc.
Let him worry buddy...what's wrong in it!. i don't think there is anything wrong if some really think in that way even if it is being done for the sake of conversion/evangelization/dawah. Ofcourse, even the other side can do the same.
The fact is, All Religions are NOT the same. So it means only One can be correct and others are wrong OR all have their own flaws in them. THere is no point in getting sentimental about religion though unfortunately it usually gets emotional, for the simple reason being, such discussions should take a person to whatever the true "religion" is(if at all there is any such truth). And emotional person always does things in haste leading to making many mistakes.
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Ali_R, if you really want to understand exactly what Hinduism is, you should read
"Am I a Hindu?" by Ed Vishwanathan. He explains very complicated topics in layman's terms so anybody would understand. He actually tells about the good aspects of all religions. There's just too much ignorance about Hinduism out there.
Hope you read it with an open mind. I already told ssingh about it but I just want to know what others think about the book and if you can, let me know your opinion of it. It would be interesting to know what you guys think about it.
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What is your religion called then? I had heard about this regarding Bhuddhism, but there is a difference between Bhuddist and Hindus. Or has time passed away so quickly that we have merged both religion into one? I must have missed something then.
What is my religion called? The answer will depend upon who is asking that quetion. Because the ability to understand the answer requires some knowledge (much like an eskimo describing ice).
If you ask me I will say Hindu
If a knowledgeable Hindu asks me I'll say Sanatha Dharmic Brahmin
If a Brahmin (non Tamil) asks me I will probably have to say (no Brahmin has asked me) Smardha
If a Tamil Brahmin asks me I'll probbaly have to say Iyer
If an Iyer asks me I'll have to say ......rest of it secret and cannot be told to those not initiated
BTW I didn't understand what your question is about Bhuddhism? I just wanted to say that Bhuddhism is also based on Dharma and Karma. Even the chinese Bhuddhists follow these concepts, they recite sutras etc
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What is my religion called? The answer will depend upon who is asking that quetion. Because the ability to understand the answer requires some knowledge (much like an eskimo describing ice).
If you ask me I will say Hindu If a knowledgeable Hindu asks me I'll say Sanatha Dharmic Brahmin If a Brahmin (non Tamil) asks me I will probably have to say (no Brahmin has asked me) Smardha If a Tamil Brahmin asks me I'll probbaly have to say Iyer If an Iyer asks me I'll have to say ......rest of it secret and cannot be told to those not initiated
BTW I didn't understand what your question is about Bhuddhism? I just wanted to say that Bhuddhism is also based on Dharma and Karma. Even the chinese Bhuddhists follow these concepts, they recite sutras etc
Mainly I have read in the vedas. But not much either. I know the basics about hinduism not more not less.
Nevertheless, I think hinduism has been misinterpretated by too many out there so that. People have started producing their +10 gods out of mud, so that they might have a reason to worship at something "physically existing" in their presence.
From your post I can only assume the following:
You are a Brahman and one with south indian roots.
Re: The God Concept of Hinduism [split: 11 Hindu Extremists jailed for raping a Musli
more of a religion discussion...this.
In that case, isn't it a bit distasteful to have "11 Hindu Extremists jailed for raping a muslim" as part of the split thread, particularly following the lofty "God Concept in Hinduism"? Just a thought, not an issue.
Re: The God Concept of Hinduism [split: 11 Hindu Extremists jailed for raping a Musli
Ali_R, if you really want to understand exactly what Hinduism is, you should read "Am I a Hindu?" by Ed Vishwanathan. He explains very complicated topics in layman's terms so anybody would understand. He actually tells about the good aspects of all religions. There's just too much ignorance about Hinduism out there.
Hope you read it with an open mind. I already told ssingh about it but I just want to know what others think about the book and if you can, let me know your opinion of it. It would be interesting to know what you guys think about it.
What are these holy books you have in your religion for? Arent they enough as a read to understand hinduism? Or are they incomplete, for what I would need another book to read on and understand your religion on Its very fundamental laws for a hindu to obligate to?
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What are these holy books you have in your religion for? Arent they enough as a read to understand hinduism? Or are they incomplete, for what I would need another book to read on and understand your religion on Its very fundamental laws for a hindu to obligate to?
well first of all this book by vishwanathan is not another holy book, it's more for non Hindus to better understand some complicated aspects of Hinduism. He sets it up as a real life scenario of him being an NRI explaining in simple terms about some of the myths and misunderstandings that people many times make about Hinduism to his American raised child. I loved the book.
I just wanted to know what others thought about the book. if that's something you don't want to do, that's fine yaar.
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Mainly I have read in the vedas. But not much either. I know the basics about hinduism not more not less. Nevertheless, I think hinduism has been misinterpretated by too many out there so that. People have started producing their +10 gods out of mud, so that they might have a reason to worship at something "physically existing" in their presence.
From your post I can only assume the following: You are a Brahman and one with south indian roots.
May be. Just a few corrections.
People don't produce gods out of mud. They make statues of gods out of mud. It is no different from a Muslim turning east to say their prayers - that doesn't mean they are praying to the direction called east. Similarly a Hindu praying in front of the idol of Sri Krishna is praying to Sri Krishna. One may go even deeper and say he is really praying to the brahmic soul represented in an attributed compilation in the holy form of Sri Krishna, but that will require a lot more depth of discussion. In simpler terms, if you can understand formlessness and form need not be opposites (much like 0 is a number too - a person who does not understand the concept of null will find it hard to understand polarity and value at 0).
Yes I am South Indian and Brahmin. But the South Indian part has no religious significance. All Brahmins, whether South or North, have same roots. That is why things like the gothra systems have worked so well after all these millenia!
Re: The God Concept of Hinduism [split: 11 Hindu Extremists jailed for raping a Musli
well first of all this book by vishwanathan is not another holy book, it's more for non Hindus to better understand some complicated aspects of Hinduism. He sets it up as a real life scenario of him being an NRI explaining in simple terms about some of the myths and misunderstandings that people many times make about Hinduism to his American raised child. I loved the book.
I just wanted to know what others thought about the book. if that's something you don't want to do, that's fine yaar.
What If that guy projects his religion as the best. Dont get me wrong every one is proud of his religion (normally). But as StirCrasey has already stated that there are many different interpretations of hinduism and thus you cannot say one is right and one is wrong. How can I judge then If this guy is saying the "truth", I would have to look up double. In one hand having all these religious books as comparison and proof and then in one hand the book you have adviced me to read. This is hell of an affort. I will definately have a look at It, but maybe you can provide me an online version Of It. Makes life much easier for me :)
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Peace All
It is never my intention to ridicule or make jest at the belief of others, my discussions I try to keep directly relevant and serious. Verily, worship is a serious matter as it is to both Muslims and Hindus an integral part of life.
Some of my questions raised by the concept of God according to the Hindu people.
Would it not cause for the disuniting of a people to have many Gods, where tribes may opt for a given Deity over another?
Would the Gods not be compared with each other in contest to say who is greater?
If there is only One God then how can everything BE god?
Can it be that omnipotence, omniscience has been confused for omnipresent? To be present infers to be contained in ... This limits God to be encapsulated does it not?
If humans can become or need to realise their own state of Deity then why should humans still be humble? Why does God need to be in a state of humility?
Traits in objects can mean they are alike but can they also indicate they have the same source ... hinging on the question .... is everything God or does everything come from God? And when we say come from God, do we mean shares the essence of God so we are extracted parts or do we mean new entities in our own right by the Power of God to have been made from nothing?
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^ this is a very good start to learning about god.
Answers lie in self realization, since any answers have to be 'understood' to be accepted by yourself. And such understanding requires realization.
Me and everyone else can give you a number of answers to each question but it is unnecessary and not of much use. The very fact that these questions have occurred to you indicates the answers are not far of.