The Global Divide on Homosexuality

The Global Divide on Homosexuality Greater Acceptance in More Secular and Affluent Countries
Survey shows world is split on attitude toward gays

The Global Divide on Homosexuality | Pew Global Attitudes Project

Only 2% in Pakistan support homosexuality

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the lesser the filth the better.
In Pakistan its a religious matter not cultural. As muslims, we believe "lwatat/homosexuality" is Gunah-e-kabira, like zina, murder, robbery etc. only those who can "socially accept" and justify these sins can accept homosexuality.
sorry mate, no chance in Pakistan.

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why the links didn’t say anything about acceptability in India? :hmmm:

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because saregamapa is more intrested in pakistan like me…:smiley:

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or they don't want to say that secular India got same level of acceptability of homos as radical Pakistan :D

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here comes some views for acceptability of homosexuality in India

Homosexuality in India

India is a weird country when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. The attitudes of most people towards this topic can be broadly divided into the following four categories.

Category 1: Regressive protectors of Indian culture – The ones who think that homosexuality is against Indian culture and is immoral and/or unnatural.

Category 2: Open-minded – The ones who respect an individual’s right to choose his/her sexuality.
Category 3: Pseudo-progressive – The ones who say that everyone has a right of choice but hope and pray that their own sons are not gay.

Category 4: Obnoxious punks - The ones who don’t give a s*** and specialize in making cheap jokes on homosexuality .Bollywood has many people of this type

These divergent views on the subject perfectly mirror the two India’s that co-exist within our country – the progressive and forward looking minority and the ignorant and regressive majority.

Personally I fall in Category 2 above but that is beside the point here. The reason behind is sudden outburst on issue of gay rights in India is the Union Home Ministry’s ‘accidental’ opposition to decriminalisation of gay sex yesterday in the country before the Supreme Court wherein it termed homosexuality as "immoral” and “against the social order”. Apparently the Ministry subsequently clarified that the Additional Attorney General read out an earlier stand by the government instead of the latest in the apex court. That is quite a big goof up I must say!!

**In 2009, I was very pleased to note that the Delhi High court passed a judgement which decriminalized Section - 377 of Indian Penal Code (IPC) covering a sexual act in private between consenting adults. The archaic law was framed in the 19th century by the British. As expected many politicians and religious organisations like All India Muslim Personal Law Board, Utkal Christian Council and Apostolic Churches Alliance challenged the high court’s order. Even yoga guru Ramdev has joined the bandwagon and opposed the verdict.
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A few months ago Health Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad had made a controversial remark on the subject. He is supposed to have said "The disease of ‘Men having Sex with Men’ (MSM), which was found more in the developed world, has now unfortunately come to our country and there is a substantial number of such people in India.” I won’t comment on this as I have not seen the footage and this statement was reported by the Indian media in which I don’t have much trust. There have been ample instances in the past when Indian media has twisted statements and misquoted people for sensational headlines and ‘Breaking News’ which sells more copies and boosts TRPs respectively. I don’t believe any media reporting up until I see the statement myself from the person’s mouth and I feel that all Indians should do the same.

**Anyways, coming back to the issue of homosexuality, most people who oppose it have the following objections “It is not in our culture and is immoral”, “It is unnatural”. Let’s examine these lame justifications one by one: “It is not in our culture and is immoral”: I can’t stop getting amused by these self-proclaimed ‘protectors of Indian culture’ who are up in arms against homosexuals. These are the very people who bash up couples on Valentine’s Day, rain blows on girls enjoying themselves in a pub, but openly ogle at passing women. Most of them are narrow-minded enough to label females wearing skirts as ‘loose’ and ‘cheap’. They regard pre-marital sex, another individual choice as immoral but won’t think twice before raping or molesting a girl. Nothing can be more ridiculous than these uncultured and uncouth morons in the country giving sermons on culture.

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And talking about our cultural past, probably these blokes need a refresher in history (if they ever went to a school that is) as quite a few ancient Hindu temples sculptures portray homosexual couples and there are many transgender and homosexual characters in Hindu epics.
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further examples:

Homosexuality in India: A Literary History - NYTimes.com

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/culture-literature-and-linguistics/552713-were-our-poets-homosexual.html

However it would be unfair to put everybody who makes this statement about homosexuality in this category. There are quite a few people educated and decent people who also feel this way. I would just like to say the following to them – ‘This is an issue of human rights for homosexuals, the right to make a fundamental choice. What reason do we have to take it away from them?’

“It is unnatural”: What most people don’t realize or don’t want to realize is that homosexuality is NOT a disease. Empirical evidence and professional norms do not support the idea that homosexuality is a form of mental illness. So how it is unnatural beats me completely.

Since a vast majority of the people in India are against homosexuality, not only are most couples afraid to come out of the closet, even their families who are willing to support them can’t do so due to the fear of social stigma. That is really sad.

In conclusion I fully agree with the Supreme Court hearing of a bunch of appeals filed against decriminalisation of gay sex on February 16, 2012. The two-judge bench, comprising of Justices G S Singhvi and S J Mukhopadhaya, opined that homosexuality should be seen in the light of changing times where phenomena of live-in relationship, single parents and artificial fertilisation have become normal. They had also pointed out that many things, which were considered immoral 20 years ago, have become acceptable to society now.

Times have changed and it is heartening to see the Judiciary is looking to adapt with that. Now if only the Government and more importantly the common people of the country change their views on the subject. There are many other important issues in India – corruption, infrastructure problems, inflation, unemployment etc. to deal with than wasting time on denying individuals the right of choice.

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i wonder when shahrukh khan will finally come out of the closet. :flowers:

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2% percent acceptance rate in Pakistan? Way too high. Queer at least you have a friend in 2% of the Pakistani population, but i would just guess they are not cream of the crop. Oh and is anyone surprised that India is full of Gays? LOL? Anyone surprised?

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i hear the cream of the crop are just eager to immigrate to satanic secularist lands anyway.. whats the point.

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Why Is Gay Porn So Popular in Pakistan? | Mother Jones

Pakistan May Hate Gay Men But It Leads The World In Google Searches For Gay Porn

Earlier this month, the Pew Research Center published results of a public survey of gay tolerance in 39 countries worldwide. The numbers are fairly unsurprising: While a high proportion of respondents in Western Europe and North America answered “yes” to the question “Should society accept homosexuality?” few respondents in the Middle East and Africa agreed with them.

Among the least tolerant nations surveyed was Pakistan, where only 2 percent of those surveyed said society should accept homosexuality. That statistic might be unsurprising, considering that gay sex is illegal under the Pakistani penal code. But what is surprising is how those views compare to Pakistani search traffic around gay-porn related terms.
As of this writing, Pakistan is by volume the world leader for Google searches of the terms “shemale sex,” “teen anal sex,” and “man ****ing man,” according to Google Trends. Pakistan also ranks second in the world (after similarly gay-intolerant Kenya) for volume of searches for the search term “gay sex pics.”

In its report, Pew noted that countries exhibiting the highest levels of gay tolerance are largely secular, whereas nations where religion is central to public life—such as Egypt, Nigeria, and Pakistan—tend to reject homosexuality. But in Pakistan, what’s even more peculiar is that the highest number of hits for some of these terms, including “shemale sex,” come not from Pakistan’s cosmopolitan centers, but from Peshawar, a bastion of conservative Islam, lately known in the West as a counterterrorism frontline.

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so what did you infer from this news item?

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Look at these people they never miss a chance of “telling” people the google trends about pakistan…

Ok, if a pakistani guy search with these terms, what will be the result google come with, some videos right? Which countries do those actors belong to who are performing actually that dirty acts in those videos? perhaps this is not the thing to be bothered about… look at those counteries where prostitution and pornography are considered a booming business…

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Why all the hate against homosexuality when it is scientifically proved to be natural and biological in origin. Just live and let live. India's original laws against homosexuality was put in place by the British Govt. Rig veda has a verse which possibly refers to homosexuality - 'Vikruti Evam Prakriti' { what seems un-natural is also natural}. Homosexual behavior has also been scientifically observed in the animal kingdom. That itself implies that it is natural. If one were to believe in God, anything naturally occurring is beyond the realm of free will and created by God. So God has to take the blame and it is a hypocritical God who condemns people he has created so. Or the people must revise the laws and accept that homosexuality being a sin cannot be a religious injunction.

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I think if we follow live and let live philosophy then these reports must not be part of media every alternate days. Why impose a view on a society, which is not ready to accept it based on religious teachings as well as cultural traditions develop over a period of time. I think liberalism should not be that liberal to step on every other ideology coming on its way.

As far as the nature created this instinct and God should be blamed for this, then hasn't God given people sense to distinguish between the good and bad besides creating good and bad?

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on the other hand, why punish people who are just following their natural instincts just because of possible incorrect religious/cultural traditions?. Homosexuals were created that way by nature so of course God is to blame. Right and wrong w.r.t homosexuality was created by religions and society. A man can pretend to be a woman all he want since he has free will. But how much longer can he keep on pretending? At the end of the day, no matter what, masculine nature will show through. Can you blame your son for being born a man or your daughter for being born a woman? Why not? Coz nature and God made them so. Same with homosexuality. It is a natural thing and it is unfair and wrong of God and society to demand something from them when they were not created that way.

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why selective examples from animal kngdom?

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same people who are advocating homosexuality will never accept any homosexual in their own household…:hehe:

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Because man is a mammal and also part of the animal kingdom

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then why punish someone for killing other human,cant we find similar example from animal kingdom to pardon them

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Those are even bigger hypocrites. But a lot of of the remaining some who are advocating live and let live policy genuinely believe in the acceptance capacity, :slight_smile: