The Global Divide on Homosexuality

[muqawwee123]

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@calypsodc

on the other hand, why punish people who are just following their natural instincts just because of possible incorrect religious/cultural traditions?. Homosexuals were created that way by nature so of course God is to blame. Right and wrong w.r.t homosexuality was created by religions and society. A man can pretend to be a woman all he want since he has free will. But how much longer can he keep on pretending? At the end of the day, no matter what, masculine nature will show through. Can you blame your son for being born a man or your daughter for being born a woman? Why not? Coz nature and God made them so. Same with homosexuality. It is a natural thing and it is unfair and wrong of God and society to demand something from them when they were not created that way.

This is very long and debatable discussion whether its a natural thing or derived from society as we got bi people in each and every society too.

Anyway, my point is that overall Pakistani / Indian society is not accepting this and consider it as a taboo so the majority’s opinion should be respected instead of bringing random examples to point out that the society is hypocrite on this issue.

[ninja_hattori]

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@calypsodc

Those are even bigger hypocrites. But a lot of of the remaining some who are advocating live and let live policy genuinely believe in the acceptance capacity,

these are mere words…when any poster will accept that any one of his brother,sister,son or daughter is gay and he has accepted them then that will be some act…until these are mere words bro…

[calypsodc]

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@ninja_hattori

then why punish someone for killing other human,cant we find similar example from animal kingdom to pardon them

Only man kills for sport. The rest of the animals are just engaged in in natural survival w.r.t their food chain. When was the last time you saw animals commit calculated genocide, mob hits etc against other animals of their own species?

[calypsodc]

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@ninja_hattori

these are mere words…when any poster will accept that any one of his brother,sister,son or daughter is gay and he has accepted them then that will be some act…until these are mere words bro…

Speak for your self. You have not right to presume to speak on my behalf please. You may be narrow minded but I am not and if the situation comes, it will be my cross to bear. I will certainly not go on a murderous rampage or indulge in a little honour killing. That is for sure and I can guarantee.

[ninja_hattori]

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@calypsodc

Only man kills for sport. The rest of the animals are just engaged in in natural survival w.r.t their food chain. When was the last time you saw animals commit calculated genocide, mob hits etc against other animals of their own species?

very good ok go near some rhino or hippopotamus and obviously you are not part of his food chain…or try to play with elephant during his mast time..

BTW so can we pardon someone who kill other person for money…?

now society is too civilized that its learning from animals…

[ninja_hattori]

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@calypsodc

Speak for your self. You have not right to presume to speak on my behalf please. You may be narrow minded but I am not and if the situation comes, it will be my cross to bear. I will certainly not go on a murderous rampage or indulge in a little honour killing. That is for sure and I can guarantee.

what about acceptance..not every one from this side is going to kill every homosexual either…but what about matter of acceptance…

still these are mere words…

[calypsodc]

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@ninja_hattori

very good ok go near some rhino or hippopotamus and obviously you are not part of his food chain…or try to play with elephant during his mast time..

BTW so can we pardon someone who kill other person for money…?

now society is too civilized that its learning from animals…

When was the last time, a human was punished for defending himself by killing a man eater or a dangerous snake that threatened their life?

[calypsodc]

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@ninja_hattori

what about acceptance..not every one from this side is going to kill every homosexual either…but what about matter of acceptance…

still these are mere words…

No they are not mere words. Why? Because you say so? I say they are not mere words. So stop looking at people through your yellow tinted glasses.

[ajazali]

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@calypsodc

Only man kills for sport. The rest of the animals are just engaged in in **natural survival **w.r.t their food chain. When was the last time you saw animals commit calculated genocide, mob hits etc against other animals of their own species?

Which one is natural between these two survive-reproduce-survive and survive-don’t reproduce-disappear
Why the World Wildlife trying so hard to prevent disappearing of different species on the earth?
Parents following natural path of survive-reproduce-survive would naturally like to have their offsprings follow the same path, pretending otherwise is hypocrisy…

[calypsodc]

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@ajazali

Which one is natural between these two survive-reproduce-survive and survive-don’t reproduce-disappear
Parents following natural path of survive-reproduce-survive would naturally like to have their offsprings follow the same path, pretending otherwise is hypocrisy…

Important new evidence on a plausible mechanism for the evolution of “gay genes” has emerged from the work of Camperio-Ciani.[SUP][26]](Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia)[/SUP] They found in two large, independent studies that the female relatives of homosexual men tended to have significantly more offspring than those of the heterosexual men. Female relatives of the homosexual men on their mother’s side tended to have more offspring than those on the father’s side. This indicates that females carrying a putative “androphilia genes” complex are more fecund than women lacking this complex of genes, and thereby can compensate for any decreased fertility of the males carrying the genes. This is a well known phenomenon in evolution known as “sexual antagonism,”[SUP]citation needed][/SUP] and has been widely documented for many traits that are advantageous in one sex but not in the other.[SUP]citation needed][/SUP] This provides solid experimental evidence of how “gay genes” could not only survive but thrive over the course of evolution. Source: Wikipedia and science journals.

[ninja_hattori]

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@calypsodc

When was the last time, a human was punished for defending himself by killing a man eater or a dangerous snake that threatened their life?

i was talking about fellow human being…

[calypsodc]

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Precisely, Animals defend and attack to defend their homes and their life. They do not kill because of envy or greed. When was the last time you saw a deer stroll up to a hippo or an elephant in mast. Maybe animals have more common sense and a healthy respect for nature

[ajazali]

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@calypsodc

Important new evidence on a plausible mechanism for the evolution of “gay genes” has emerged from the work of Camperio-Ciani.[SUP][26]](Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia)[/SUP] They found in two large, independent studies that the female relatives of homosexual men tended to have significantly more offspring than those of the heterosexual men. Female relatives of the homosexual men on their mother’s side tended to have more offspring than those on the father’s side. This indicates that females carrying a putative “androphilia genes” complex are more fecund than women lacking this complex of genes, and thereby can compensate for any decreased fertility of the males carrying the genes. This is a well known phenomenon in evolution known as “sexual antagonism,”[SUP]citation needed][/SUP] and has been widely documented for many traits that are advantageous in one sex but not in the other.[SUP]citation needed][/SUP] This provides solid experimental evidence of how “gay genes” could not only survive but thrive over the course of evolution. Source: Wikipedia and science journals.

What sort of research we can expect from pro-gayism scientists where-as this reseach itself is inductive…

Futhermore, gay genes does not exist at all, dont try to misguide people. If you have some emperical evidance of existence of gay genes then share plz.

[ninja_hattori]

@calypsodc:9625770

Precisely, Animals defend and attack to defend their homes and their life. They do not kill because of envy or greed. When was the last time you saw a deer stroll up to a hippo or an elephant in mast. Maybe animals have more common sense and a healthy respect for nature

There are plenty of videos …even animals killing out of envy…

[calypsodc]

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@ajazali

What sort of research we can expect from pro-gayism scientists where-as this reseach itself is inductive…

Futhermore, gay genes does not exist at all, dont try to misguide people. If you have some emperical evidance of existence of gay genes then share plz.

I have no idea about gay genes. Is slavery observed in other animal species? No. Is wanton genocide observed in other animals ? No. But Is Homosexuality observed in other species as well? Yes. On the other hand has science been able to prove that homosexuality is unnatural in origin? No. That is enough for me. Are homosexuals threatening my life and family ? No. Is what people do with their love lives society’s business ? No irrespective of who ever claims it other wise

[calypsodc]

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Homosexuality isn’t genetic after all. But don’t start saying this proves it’s a “lifestyle choice,” fundamentalists. Researchers from UC Santa Barbara and Uppsala University found a biological basis for same-sex attraction, locating the origins of homosexuality in the womb. Epi-marks, the genetic switches that regulate how our genes express themselves, can be passed down from mother to son or father to daughter while the fetuses gestate, the researchers found, adding that certain “sexually antagonistic” epi-marks may also be involved. Science: Homosexuality Isn’t Genetic, but It Is Biological

[calypsodc]

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@muqawwee123

Anyway, my point is that overall Pakistani / Indian society is not accepting this and consider it as a taboo so the majority’s opinion should be respected instead of bringing random examples to point out that the society is hypocrite on this issue.

Just because the majority may consider certain thing taboo, should the majority voice be taken as the absolute truth? If majority of the society is not accepting to certain cultural norms and wanted to practice stupid things like Sati, slavery, racism, female genital mutilation etc all in name of religion and culture why ban them?

[ninja_hattori]

@calypsodc:9626831

@""muqawwee123""

Anyway, my point is that overall Pakistani / Indian society is not accepting this and consider it as a taboo so the majority’s opinion should be respected instead of bringing random examples to point out that the society is hypocrite on this issue.

Just because the majority may consider certain thing taboo, should the majority voice be taken as the absolute truth? If majority of the society is not accepting to certain cultural norms and wanted to practice stupid things like Sati, slavery, racism, female genital mutilation etc all in name of religion and culture why ban them?

I dont think sati custom was practiced by majority..it was not common as hatred of homosexuality…slavery was common and to abolish it america was forced to fight civil war…so we have to fight a war for homosexuality?

[muqawwee123]

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@calypsodc

Just because the majority may consider certain thing taboo, should the majority voice be taken as the absolute truth? If majority of the society is not accepting to certain cultural norms and wanted to practice stupid things like Sati, slavery, racism, female genital mutilation etc all in name of religion and culture why ban them?

while practices like Sati, Slavery and racism, female mutilation, burying female alive don’t get support from religions in sub-continent and therefore they are being eradicated from society gradually, the same is not true for homo-sexuality which is specifically condemned in Islam and Hindu society as a whole doesn’t support it.

[saregamapa]

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