Sa1eem - even discounting the entire Hindu population that was in East Pakistan, how do you explain the 14 Million Hindu population of West Pakistan (which is 25%!!) to have now become 2%?
Well, I think that now you will come up with figure that before Islam came to subcontinent and before Muslim invading this area and pushing eastward or converting local population of the area to Islam (obviously with their willing consent), Hindus were 100 percent in area that is now W Pakistan, so what happened that today they are only 2 percent :)
Well, I do not know where you are getting this 1.4 million figures from, but fact is that at the time just after partition, Hindus in West Pakistan were very few as most migrated to India (whatever the reason). Nevertheless, after partition, there was no genocide or Hindu-Muslim riot in Pakistan (West or East).
Read . learn and eduacte yourself before spitting your hatered towards someone else.
“Based on 1951 Census of displaced persons, 7,226,000 Muslims went to Pakistan from India while 7,249,000 Hindus and sikhs moved to India from Pakistan immediately after partition. About 11.2 million or 78% of the population transfer took place in the west, with Punjab accounting for most of it; 5.3 million Muslims moved from India to West Punjab in Pakistan, 3.4 million Hindus and Sikhs moved from Pakistan to East Punjab in India; elsewhere in the west 1.2 million moved in each direction to and from Sind”
I want to make something clear to all. I did not open this thread to pick a fight with you or to express hatred towards Pakistan in this respect, if the accusation is not true. I showed you what I saw and asked you to come up with the counter.
If adequate and reasonable argument is offered I will gladly dismiss the accusation my self
Saad - I have already told you to look at it at a country level. The muslim number in India has gone up, not down.
Are you serious, where did you hear or see , mass scale Hindu genoicide in Pakistan , except for a Hindu Girl marrying a Muslim in Sind etc, as you qouted?. I am talking about Muslim migration to Pakistan form India and at the same time the Hindu migration that occured to India. West Pakistan never had that much Hindu population areas except for Tharparkar in Sindh and Sikhs in Punjab.
Saieem - OK I reread your post. Provide a source for your numbers
Source? Well, I have done my schooling in Pakistan and I know pre-1970 figures of Muslims and Hindus in Pakistan (I was always a good student :)). If you would like to know the figures, try to find pre-1970 census of Pakistan that gives religion of various communities in Pakistan.
You are still caught up with the partition. I am asking you about stuff that happened after that.
Nothing happened after that. You are giving figures of partition and talking about what happened after that. When did West Pakistan had 14 Million Hindus or 15% of its population being Hindus?
You are still caught up with the partition. I am asking you about stuff that happened after that.
Well, I can guarantee you that there is not a single instance when Hindu-Muslim riot happened in Pakistan (both East and West) since last around 60 years.
the Enemy Property Act (which I had not heard of before)
the 300+ temples
Kidnapping of Hindu women to coerce conversion
This is what you read and believe. You are thinking that a Musllim Mullah and fanatic would come , put a gun over your head and ask you covert to Islam . 300+ temples were there to cater that much poulation, Again that left to India in 1947. Some left in 1965 and 1971 ,as they thought they would be more save in India.
Well, I can guarantee you that there is not a single instance when Hindu-Muslim riot happened in Pakistan (both East and West) since last around 60 years.
I won't say a single incident happened, there might have been here and there, but nothing like Gujarat Riots against Muslims. Most Hindus in Pakistan live in Tharparkar District in Sind(50% of its population are Hindus)and almost all are middle or upper middle class well to do families.
the Enemy Property Act (which I had not heard of before)
the 300+ temples
Kidnapping of Hindu women to coerce conversion
Empty property act was applied in both sides of Punjab only and happened due to huge migration from both sides, especially Muslims forced to move from East Punjab to West Punjab.
As for temple: Not a single temple was touched in Pakistan after partition. Actually, all temples in Pakistan are protected and government spend money to keep it up to required standard (barring corruption of officials and Hindus themselves misusing Mandir properties).
Kidnapping of Hindu women to coerce conversion is complete BS. It is possible that Hindu women married a Muslim guy and converted to Islam then her family started case of kidnapping and forced conversion. Else, Islam forbid forced conversion and if anyone use coerce to convert would be breaking not only Islamic law but Pakistani law as well, and that means the person coerce would not convert anyone but would go to prison (if victim takes the perpetrator to court).
I won't say a single incident happened, there might have been here and there, but nothing like Gujarat Riots against Muslims. Most Hindus in Pakistan live in Tharparkar District in Sind(50% of its population are Hindus)and almost all are middle or upper middle class well to do families.
Brother, I mean riot, not incidences. No doubt incidences happened but not riot.
Reduction of Hindu population from over 15% post partition (ie after removing the number that moved to India) to the current 2% or so
You're manipulating facts.
You're comparing the post-Partition non-Muslim population of united Pakistan, to the non-Muslim population of modern day Pakistan. Most of those non-Muslims lived in erstwhile East Pakistan...where there is still a sizable (albeit diminished) Hindu population today. To put all of this in perspective, according to the 1951 census:
United Pakistan: 86% Muslim, 14% others
East Pakistan: 77% Muslim, 23% others
West Pakistan: 97% Muslim, 3% others
There hasn't been any significant chance in the non-Muslim population in West Pakistan since Partition.
1965 passage of something called "Enemy Property Act" designed to confiscate property of Hindus
These laws exist in both India and Pakistan.
They originally started out as 'Evacuee Property Acts' shortly after Partition...and the names were basically changed to reflect the increased hostility between the two countries after the 65 war. The laws were basically designed to prevent the transfer of property and assets between the two countries...if the government had reason to suspect that someone was going to migrate, the laws gave them the right to seize all of that person's assets and property. Rest assured, the law was used plenty obnoxiously in India as well...so you can get off your high horse.
Massacre and rape of Hindus during the 1970 and 1971 period by the Pakistani army
I don't think anyone here defends the Pakistani army's war crimes in the 71 war. But I think most Bangladeshis would take offense at your implication that Hindus were the targets as opposed to Bengali people as a whole.
1989 & 1992 - over 300 temples destroyed
I'm aware of the riots in 1992...but what happened in 89? I don't think I've ever read anything about riots in Pakistan in response to the Bhagalpur massacre in India that year...
In any case, you're right, its absolutely shameful. The fact that Indian mobs have destroyed hundreds of Muslim holy sites during riots doesn't make what happened in Pakistan any less disgusting.
What are you even talking about?** I can also talk of the genoicide of Muslims** being commited in India since 1947 and later. My whole family left Dehli to avoid the massacres by the ravaging Hindu & Sikh mobs.
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You CAN. No one is stopping you. How can you justify what Hindus are going through by pointing at what's happening to muslims in India?
Some of you just try to see who can play the victim card better- nothing else.
once again, there is no evidence of mass conversion/killings etc that would support the word genocide. speculative innuendo based on statistics is not enough.
Its the favorite issue which haunts the BJP and their likes in India. Some dumba$$ in another thread quoted the 25% percent pre-partition figure for Hindus in modern Pakistan, to actually justify the genocide theory, which breaks apart with the excellent analysis of figures presented in this thread.
Sorry guys, you'll have to try much harder to come up with a counter-Gujrat thread for Hindus in Pakistan.