The Gen Zia mysteries

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I challenge you to bring one of his accomplishments during the 65 or 71 war.

Mard-e-coward. zia ul haq, zia ul haq.

Ladies, how many of you changed your name after marriage?
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Yup Bhutto's biggest mistake for making such an in competent and third rate person as Zia COAS of Pakistan. Fro that he was rightly lynched. Unpardonable sin. Couldn't agree more .

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As I said jokes and jokers aside, Al Qaida's founder was one and true Mullah named Sheikh Abdullah Azzam. Ben la-deen (the one without faith) was just his chota shagird at King Abdel Aziz University in Jiddah.

Jaisa ustad terrorist waisa shagird. Wah wah.

Anyways, the other terror Mullah Aiman Zwahiri didn't like Mullah Azzam too much. So one day Mullah Azzam went Kaboom Al-Qaida style.

This is the hall mark of Qaida, they just do Kaboom on anyone they don't like. So many kabooms to see: Zia Kaboom, Cole Kaboom, 9-11 Kaboom, Africa embassies kaboom, Khana Kaaba qabza and kaboom, and you name it.

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Okay.. I accept the challenge. I will get back to you on his acheivements. FYI, he provided good, clean governance and sound law and order are just some of his achievements if at all you are not aware or not willing to accept due to personal hatred :halo:.

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Accomplishments:

drug culture
Ak47 culture
Incompetence
MQM
sowed the seeds of extremism for which innocent Pakistanis are paying even today.

Personal hatred, yes I hate anyone who harms Paksitan and he has harmed Pakistan more than most.

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now will u reveal the story of ur Messiah’z death too :hoonh:
wat u say about dat :snooty:

bingo! atleast some one picked dat thing.

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Ehsan Bhai, Zia may not be perfect, but your assertion of "lynching Bhutto" is pretty biased.

Bhutto has the dubious distinction of operating Dulai camp torture cells, his personal goons aka FSF, and above all

Bhutto's orders to kill his opponent Kasoori. It was kasoori Junior's luck that he wasn't in the car, and it was bad luck of Kasoori Sr. that he got murdered.

Bhutto should have been brought to justice for his atrocities against Pakistani people. It just happened to be a General who had the power to do so.

There was a long court trial on ZAB (all the way from session court to highest court) and then he was hanged for a specific crime. Now you may be against capital punishment, but let's not downplay Bhutto's murderous reign.

If Gen. Zia had personal animosity, then he would have done Mujib on Bhutto. You know what that means? Don't you.

Doing Mujib means using Bengali style killing of your founder's family and that means every man, woman, son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter etc etc.

In fact it was Bhutto family who went on rampage of hijacking and killing. Probably you guys already forgot the hijacking of PIA plane to Kabul and murder of an innocent Pakistani Army officer.

So let's be fair if possible.

Peace!

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he did , when it comes to that two graves and one dead body point , otherwise bhuutto must have been living in exile thesedays !

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And how says LAK's assassination was a mystery?

It was a murder in the open. Everyone knew who dunnit!

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So what were the accusations against him?

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Zulmaat ko ZIA , Saar saar ko Saba , Banda ko Khuda kia liknaa !

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:hmmm:

Interesting angle antiobl!

So you feel it was the Arab extremism. but one may think in 1988 the US-Pak-Arab trio was still at the prime of its romance and unity against USSR? apparently there weren’t many signs of displeasure from any of the 3 quarters visible right before the sudden departure, or were there? Even internal Pak politics was stagnant and calm. The only major opposition was away. And for the Arab jihadi forces to get rid of one of the parties, the US lands and leadership could/should have been a more reasonable and at that time even easily available target. But then again, was the Arab Jihadi uprising ever as far-sighted? I believe it wasnt until much later that OBL and his likes after being un-employed at Afghanistan shifted attn to further prospects and directing guns at the old ally Amreeka.
So in that light too, what for, by who exactly and why was such a departure orchestrated?

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Icon, yes I agree, and you're right, it's got to be either incompetence or deliberate cover-up. Even if they dont have THE ANSWER the must surely have enough clues to shortlist a few key names and even among those some top 3 personalities/agencies etc.
Even in his book Gen Musharraf says he has his clues, probabaly some his own, those from the agencies etc and those key figures he deals with politically. But he too keeps silent on his perceptions. Why? God knows.
On 17 Aug Ejaz was quite annoyed that eventhis govt though a military govt ad Gen Mush being a compassionate man and on good terms with him, hasnt taken this case seriously...

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Interesting thought muali.
I wonder if there was ever such an sop in Pak. I'm not sure abt other countries either but I think even after few attempts of Gen Mush now, his aircraft are still not escorted by fighters.

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I totally agree with you. We're still paying for what Zia did some 30 years ago and will continue to pay for many generations to come. He was a cures on our nation, no doubt.

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Arab terrorism in general against Pakistan and Qaida terrorism in particular started in 1984 and Gen. Zia’s assassination was one of its manifestations. Qaida was trying to hit the whole US-Pak-Arab trio when possible and that’s what they accomplished by killing top US-Pak Generals, CIA, and US state department officials.

Unfortunately the US-Pak-Arab trio was totally exhausted by 1988 and kind of oblivious from the danger in the midst. Remember that fighting Ruskies took every last ounce of intellectual, financial, and physical strength. When Commies were finally defeated by 1988 (the actual defeat showed up a bit later), intelligence agencies of Pakistan, US, and Saudi Arabia were totally out of breath as well. And due to that shear exhaustion, we made mistakes. One of that mistakes was to let Qaida take hold in Pakistan.

Qaida terrorists weren’t focussed too much on Afghan Jihad. Most of these 500 or so terrorists never went beyond Tora Bora. Their contribution to Afghan Jihad is minimal at most. That’s why they had energy to plan and attack US-Pak-Arab targets. Peshawar became the playground of Qaida in 1984 and remained so until 2002. During this time, the tentacles of Qaida grew deeper and stronger. And the world has consistently paid huge price for it.

Pakistan and US were so lenient with these Qaida terrorists that US continued giving visas in Saudi without interviews right up until the fateful day of Sept 11 of 2001. While Pakistan continued to host these ungrateful “guests” with warmth and hospitality that they never deserved.

In summary, just connect the dots from 1984 until now with every terror attack against Pakistan, Saudi, and USA and you will see how Qaida has been consistent in its fasid actions.

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Against him? you mean against Liaqat Ali Khan?

There were many, but the worst accusation was that Liaqat was a feudal himself but he was trying to undermine others like him. Just read what Doltana etc. were saying about him before he was assassinated.

p.s. When you go against upnay loag [own people] then you suffer. Just see how MQM treated MQM haqiqi!

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So he was righlty punished for his sins?

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For unbiased analysis, it is not good to expect "right" or "wrong". Historians do have opinions though.

If you ask me, it was wrong to assassinate LAK. For cryin' out loud he was the right hand man of our founder.

OTOH LAK was wrong in bambozzling his own feudal kins too.

Power elite must sit together and resolve their differences, for their sake, and for the sake of people and country.

p.s. Killing and assassinating your fellow power elite and comrades is pure barbarity and terrorism. Like Bhutto never needed to kill Kasoori, or open torture opponents in Duali camp.

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People take drugs and blame Gen. Zia for their incompetence. How is Zia responsible for drug culture and AK47 culture? If you mean by opening the doors to the Afghans, I would say its a good thing he did. Afghans are our brothers and have always helped us. They are part of us. we need to repatriate 2.5 million Afghan refugees Iran is going to kick out of their country. We must make room for them and tax every Pakistani towards their repatriation to Pakistan. Regarding extremism, Zia wanted all of us to lead lives of good muslims- hudood ordinance, blasphemy laws were the steps in the right direction. Perhaps, you are not aware that he was willing to give breaks to govt. employees offering Salat-Al-Zuhur. Has anyone else done that before? Can't you accept good things he did for ordinary muslims like zakat- compulsory deduction must be made a law.