The Gen Zia mysteries

So it was Gen Zia-ul-Haq’s 19th barsi on 17th August.

Ironically his son Ejaz-ul-Haq was under limelight almost two decades later holding the ministry of Religious Affairs as the Lal Masjid episode unfolded in Islamabad, any mention of which further leads towards the deep intricacies of the extremism phenomenon said to have taken roots during his dad’s regime.

Lots of mysteries surrounded and still surround the man Zia. He came into the political scene as thunderously as he eventually left in an unfortunate way.

The biggest mystery however remains his sudden departure over Bahawalpur that took away a lot of Khaki brass and a C-130.

Many years, many mouths, many perceptions and many possible culprits.

An Aaam ki paitee, Gen Aslam Beg, Benazir Bhutto, PPP, US, USSR, are just a few major names.

So who was it? Any clues? Any info on inside talk and the investigation commission’s findings which it seems are never to be released? What’s the common belief two decades later?

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I’d say it was divine intervention of Qadiani Messiah Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(ra). Watch this video and you will get the answer:

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^^ I did not get any answer from this video.

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From the beginning, Zia’s death was never short of theories ! Could have been Russian , must have been Indians , what about Afghans themselves ? or Iranians , a Shiite theocracy?

Who knows mate ? its just like JFK stuff !

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^ he is probably referring to words "naamon nishaan mita diye jayen gai " ....

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What about the good ole amreeki cia? :faizy:

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Good thread Haris!

Let's start with Zia's role first and then talk about the circumstances of his assassination and murder.

Zia was the ultimate patriot of Pakistan. He knew how to get the maximum benefit for Pakistan financially and strategically. He was willing to use Pakistani army for that very purpose.

He could have an informal dinner with Senator Brownback in one evening, and enjoy tea with King Hussain the next afternoon.

He was the shining example of a Pakistani general who could see where to support Americans for ultimate benefit of Pakistan.

Even as a junior officer he was well versed with the international politics. For him, Pakistan's interests superseded any other interests including Islamic shenanigans.

Case in point! He was there to defeat Palestinian and Egyptian terror against Jordan. He is the one who defeated Yasser Arafat's militias and protected Jordanians from a Lebanese style protracted civil war.

He was oh so comfortable with Cricket diplomacy with Indians that poor Indian politicians were fully charmed by his charisma.

He was able to maintain good links with China, and other super powers.

However Gen. Zia was really close to the US generals and state department. The day of his assassination, he was in Bahawalpur to see the American tanks' exercises. American Ambassador was in the same plane and so were the senior US and Pakistani officers. This was the prime opportunity for only one group that had access to revolutionary type airforce officers, and at least one suicide bomber.

**General Zia + US ambassador + Pak & US generals were all assassinated!

By whom?

**This the point Haris bhai and others are trying to explore. There are hundreds of theories. However we now have much better view of the situation back then (hindsight is always 20/20).

If we look at the terrorist acts within Pakistan and internationally, Gen. Zia was surely assassinated by Al Qaida suicide bomber(s). His C-130 was ripe with targets considering the number of Americans and pro-American Pakistanis in that plane.

And only one group has consistently attacked American and pro-American targets for many years now. And all of us know who that group is!

The same group (and not the exact same men) have been responsible for assassination attempts on may Pakistani Generals including Gen. Musharraf, Core commander of Karachi, PAF chief etc.

General Zia's mysterious plane crash is somewhat similar to the plane crash that killed PAF chief Mushaf Ali Mir in 2003. Even though Gen. Zia's plane went down immediately after take off, the plane of Air Chief went down while in flight. Mushaf Ali Mir was going to visit Kohat air base in preparation for Pakistan's action against AQ terrorists.

Fast forward to 2007, immediately after lal masjid fiasco, there was an attempt to bring down Gen. Musharraf's plane.

The common thread in all these assassination attempts is just one. AQ infected terrorists. Whoever blames CIA, or Qadianis, or Shias is simply trying to shift the blame away from Arab terrorists and Al-Qaida.

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^Liaqat Ali was also assassinated by Al-Qaida.

Haris!
I wonder why Pakistan army with all its excellence has never found a clue to whom killed its COAS and 7 other generals. EjazulHaq has said that some generals have been involved in covering up the real culprits.

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Man, I always knew that. Thanks for confirming. Damn Osama.

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Off course an insider tip is the first step towards a successful terror attack. That tip may come from a sipahi or General. But the insider tipsters are driven by Islamic aka Qaida ideology. This is true in case of assassination of Gen. Zia, Air Marshal Mir, and unsuccessful (fortunately) attempts on Gen Musharraf and the core commander of Karachi.

Pakistani Generals so far have a code of honor when they deal with their own bad apples. They don't bring their dirty laundry out in the public.

Just take the example of recent assassination attempts on Musharraf. People trying to ram suicide cars were all "pakka Muslims" some of them probably Pak military-men.

Still you mostly you hear the names of civilians involved. Army personnel are seldom mentioned. They are simply caught, sentenced, and put in jail.

The day that code is dumped, Pakistan will surely become Islamic Jannat called Afghanistan or worse the other jannat called Somalia.

p.s. Ejazul Haq may be Gen. Zia's son, but he ain't so bright.

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Sawal Gandam Jawab Chana

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I wonder why Pakistan army with all its excellence has never found a clue to whom killed its COAS and 7 other generals.

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not to distract the main topic. Just FYI!

Jokes and jokers aside. Liaqat Ali Khan was a feudal lord who was trying to undermine and back-stab his Panjabi kins. The result was terrible bickering between the powerful Pakistani elite and eventual assassination of one feudal at the hand of others.

However it was no Alqaida aka Arab style suicide bombing.

p.s. Liaqat's brother Sikandar Ali Khan (name?) was another big land lord. However he played nicely and lived a long life.

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:rotfl: i need some of that afghan hash dude

Zia was assassinated by Al Qaida suicide bomber ? I think Bhutto was also hanged by AL Qaida, infact Zia was a the founder of Al Qaida before OBL tookover. Also i think JFK’s sniper was also a AL Qaida member. Hindsight dude!

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^People often make startling revelations after binge of alcohol.

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Today aunty is in good mood, he will also disclose the identity of Jack the ripper.

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^^ Give the guy some break. He just solved 56 years old Liaquat Ali mystery in 3 lines (post #12). He is a genius

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antiobl is Aunty of OBL, cant you see by the name. He (She) knows Alqaeda inside out

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Whoever planned and killed him, did a great job of removing the biggest cancer to effect Pakistan. A third rate general who was incompetent at best. May Allah keep us away from such people in future.

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My question is ,when a COAS + head of state was flying along with American delegation and high ranking officers ,why the plane was not escorted by Air force .

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Ehsan sir, I seriously object to your viewpoints about Mard-e-Momin - he was very well known for his courage- I guess one of the fighters who wasn’t afraid of anyone. Lagta hai aapka Gen. Zia de naal koi personal masla hai.. I dont know much about history but he must have fought bravely in 1965 and 1971 wars. He scared the hell out of Rajiv Gandhi, the Indian Prime Minister in 1985- so much so that India never dared to attack Pakistan after that. He single-handedly defeated the soviets. My chachu was in the army when he became the defacto ruler of Pakistan and he would tell us how down to earth and simple man was he. People were releived that he overthrew corrupt drameybaaz Bhutto. When he was alive, no one said a single word against him but now he’s dead- you find people making fun of him and bad-mouthing him 24X7
Mard-e-Momin, mard-e-haq, Zia-ul-haq, zia-ul-haq :jhanda: