The Four Madhabs

[cricketplaya]

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@yo_wasim

You got it right then thats what I follow, simple as it gets will you now stop proclaiming follow only one Madhab though there is strong daleel in the other Madhabs also.

Stronger daleel? Who are you to say it is stronger of the other. There is the main problem what I am trying to get at man.

Which is why following a madhab is good because then you don't get into confusion like you are getting at.

[cricketplaya]

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@AllahkaBanda

No, we don't but we do have the sources which tells us which ahadith are sahih!

If you're not, then why support it? If someone doesn't have the knowledge of Islam and lack the ability to read and study that doesn't mean he/she should blindly start following one of the 4 Imaams(Rahmtullah alahi) or listen to that Molvi who follows one. Being illiterate in Islam isn't the excuse at least not in the eyes of Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala.

Then I guess you salafis have a solution for that? Since you guys are have your own ways of forming rules on fiqh.

[AllahkaBanda]

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@cricketplaya

Stronger daleel? Who are you to say it is stronger of the other. There is the main problem what I am trying to get at man.

Which is why following a madhab is good because then you don't get into confusion like you are getting at.

Then how do you know the one you're following is stronger then the other? Isn't this ignorance if you say all 4 Imaams were great but then ignore 3? How come there opinions don't matter?

[yo_wasim]

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@cricketplaya

I guess both of you don't get the simple meaning of why we follow madhabs. I don't want to form my own opinion on how to pray or stuff like that. Which is why I follow a madhab. The Prophet prayed in many ways, do I have to pray in all those ways or can't I just pray in ONE way?! Please, we don't have minds of the great scholars of that time and we certainly will never have a mind like of the Prophet.

You are not able to answer the questions of AllaahKaBanda and mine. So hardly bothers. Ok fine you want to follow the Madhab right ok fine follow it shall i post few saying of your Madhab shall I.
Give me an answer about Chilla. You want to follow forget about Prayers buddy boy. You want to pray that way its good for you.
Shall we talk things of Madhab which affect Iman.
Tell me now, answer this for the last time.
Why do we have to do Grave worship, why do we have to believe in Amulet why do I have to believe in someone other than Allaah thinking that he can harm me or benefit me now this is shirk.
Yes I have to follow a Madhab whose great scholars who have followed teachigns of Abu Haneefa have had a trip of Meraj, who can talk to someone in the grave and get an answer.
This is your Madhab then i dont wont to argue about it.

[cricketplaya]

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@AllahkaBanda

Then how do you know the one you're following is stronger then the other? Isn't this ignorance if you say all 4 Imaams were great but then ignore 3? How come there opinions don't matter?

Who says we ignore three? We follow one because we don't want to be confused by going to the other 3. Each have their daleels and each are correct.

[AllahkaBanda]

Re: The Four Madhabs

@cricketplaya

Then I guess you salafis have a solution for that? Since you guys are have your own ways of forming rules on fiqh.

regarding this i already said in post # 22

@AllahkaBanda

I never said i’m Salafi, i’m muslim who simply follow quran and ahdith! Again, pointing out out that hadith of prophet(SAW), he never mentioned that Salafi/Wahabi/Deoubandi/Berlavi will go to Jannah, he said, “those who will be like me and my companions”. He never said those who follow this or that imaam.

[Captain1]

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@AllahkaBanda

If you're not, then why support it? If someone doesn't have the knowledge of Islam and lack the ability to read and study that doesn't mean he/she should blindly start following one of the 4 Imaams(Rahmtullah alahi) or listen to that Molvi who follows one. Being illiterate in Islam isn't the excuse at least not in the eyes of Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala.

I agree that being illiterate is not any excuse and won't buy a berth in heaven, but if he can follow a well known collection of fiqh issues (also called madhab) then that shouldn't be a problem as such. The problem becomes when one blind followers says that other madhab is wrong/going to hell.

[AllahkaBanda]

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@cricketplaya

Who says we ignore three? We follow one because we don't want to be confused by going to the other 3. Each have their daleels and each are correct.

If all 4 are correct and then why not follow all 4? You're contradicting yourslef over and over again.

Anyway, we can continue on this forever, but we will never reach somewhere we don't accpet the truth. I've to go for Zuhr Salah, so Asslam-U-Alikum

[cricketplaya]

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@yo_wasim

You are not able to answer the questions of AllaahKaBanda and mine. So hardly bothers. Ok fine you want to follow the Madhab right ok fine follow it shall i post few saying of your Madhab shall I. Give me an answer about Chilla. You want to follow forget about Prayers buddy boy. You want to pray that way its good for you. Shall we talk things of Madhab which affect Iman. Tell me now, answer this for the last time. Why do we have to do Grave worship, why do we have to believe in Amulet why do I have to believe in someone other than Allaah thinking that he can harm me or benefit me now this is shirk. Yes I have to follow a Madhab whose great scholars who have followed teachigns of Abu Haneefa have had a trip of Meraj, who can talk to someone in the grave and get an answer. This is your Madhab then i dont wont to argue about it.

Chilla is a recommended period of time to spend in the path of Allah, jus tell me what's wrong with it? Is there anything wrong with it? Is it against Shariah? No.
Just like you have internet for research, is it wrong? No.

Grave worshipping is bidah at its best! No Imam did grave worship. It is completely shirk.

Meraj...
The days and nights of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) were filled with full of Barkaat and noor. If Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) physically ascended the skies during Me’raaj, almost every day, Jibraaeel (alayhis salaam) used to descend with many angels with revelation and guidance.

Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) often participated in Jihaad and sacrificed for the upliftment of Deen. Many Sahaaba (Radhiallaahu Anhu) were martyred. In brief, every moment of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) life was filled with amazing moments. Me’raaj is one of them. Allah has bestowed Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) with the gift of Salaat in this heavenly journey. However, in the remaining life of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), almost 13 years thereafter, he never ever celebrated Me’raaj. The Sahaaba (Radhiallaahu Anhum) after Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) also did not celebrate Me’raaj.

The pious predecessors, among them, the four famous jurists, Imaam Abu Hanifa (RA), Imaam Shaafi’ee (RA), Imaam Maalik (RA) and Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (RA) did not celebrate Me’raaj either. The incident of Me’raaj is not to celabrate, rather it is to ponder upon the gift of Salaat and fulfil this great obligation. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘The first thing a person will be accounted for on the day of judgment will be Salat.’ Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘The difference between Imaan and Kufr is leaving out Salaat.’ To celebrate Me’raaj is Bid’at. Furthermore, it is senseless to celebrate Me’raaj while neglecting the obligation of Salaat.

To decorate the Musjids during Ramadhaan and Eid is Bid’at. Such a practise should be abandoned.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
askimam.org

[Captain1]

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@AllahkaBanda

Then how do you know the one you're following is stronger then the other? Isn't this ignorance if you say all 4 Imaams were great but then ignore 3? How come there opinions don't matter?

what is YOUR source of judging a hadith as weak/strong? or if an opinion is correct or not?

[yo_wasim]

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@cricketplaya

Then I guess you salafis have a solution for that? Since you guys are have your own ways of forming rules on fiqh.

Dont go in circles.
Tell me am I salafi, wahabi, ahle hadith or Ghair Muqalid.
I want an answer.
Tell me is it haram to follow Quran and Sunnah.
Let me tell you we have lots of Scholars who have done a great deal of work only taking the hadith from Quran and Sunnah, but we dont have any such concept of Amir.
Get this straight, who is greater Prophet or the 4 Imams
Should the teaching of Prophets be taken or of the 4 Imams who have openly declared we had our own Ijtihad also included in there teaching.
Are you trying to deny Sitta al saheeh. Na karyo babu, badi mushkil mein pad jayoge.

[cricketplaya]

Re: The Four Madhabs

@AllahkaBanda

If all 4 are correct and then why not follow all 4? You're contradicting yourslef over and over again.

Anyway, we can continue on this forever, but we will never reach somewhere we don't accpet the truth. I've to go for Zuhr Salah, so Asslam-U-Alikum

You want me to contradict myself by following all 4? Dude each have their ways of praying. The Prophet raised his hands, hanafis don't. The other madhab does. One madhab doesn't. Etc... you want me to get confused while I am praying?

[cricketplaya]

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@yo_wasim

Dont go in circles. Tell me am I salafi, wahabi, ahle hadith or Ghair Muqalid. I want an answer. Tell me is it haram to follow Quran and Sunnah. Let me tell you we have lots of Scholars who have done a great deal of work only taking the hadith from Quran and Sunnah, but we dont have any such concept of Amir. Get this straight, who is greater Prophet or the 4 Imams Should the teaching of Prophets be taken or of the 4 Imams who have openly declared we had our own Ijtihad also included in there teaching. Are you trying to deny Sitta al saheeh. Na karyo babu, badi mushkil mein pad jayoge.

When did I say that the Imams are greater than the Prophet? I never said it.

Just read my post about your propaganda...

[Captain1]

Re: The Four Madhabs

@yo_wasim

Why do we have to do Grave worship, why do we have to believe in Amulet why do I have to believe in someone other than Allaah thinking that he can harm me or benefit me now this is shirk. Yes I have to follow a Madhab whose great scholars who have followed teachigns of Abu Haneefa have had a trip of Meraj, who can talk to someone in the grave and get an answer. This is your Madhab then i dont wont to argue about it.

All your "questions" are directed at Brelvi sect, which atleast IMO is not on right path. They are not following the teachings of Abu Hanifa but they developed 'inferences' from concepts/issues in books by other scholars, resulting in a different set of "aqaaid".

[yo_wasim]

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@cricketplaya

Chilla is a recommended period of time to spend in the path of Allah, jus tell me what's wrong with it? Is there anything wrong with it? Is it against Shariah? No.

Chilla yes it is allowed as ther in the Quran no denial, now this iswhat i want.
In the hadith 40 days of mournign is not prescribed, but only 3 days for the dead.
Its the same for the women nothing such as 40 days, they are lots this is just a sample when husband is dead, dont come out of the house for 40 days whats all this.
Follow it simple as there in the quran its prescribed iddaah period for women is 4 months 10 days this is chilla.

[Captain1]

Re: The Four Madhabs

@yo_wasim

Dont go in circles. Tell me am I salafi, wahabi, ahle hadith or Ghair Muqalid. I want an answer. Tell me is it haram to follow Quran and Sunnah. Let me tell you we have lots of Scholars who have done a great deal of work only taking the hadith from Quran and Sunnah, but we dont have any such concept of Amir. Get this straight, who is greater Prophet or the 4 Imams Should the teaching of Prophets be taken or of the 4 Imams who have openly declared we had our own Ijtihad also included in there teaching. Are you trying to deny Sitta al saheeh. Na karyo babu, badi mushkil mein pad jayoge.

Don't get emotional bhai mian, those who follow Madhab are fine to an extent and those who formulate their own opinion are fine too, it will be upto Allah swt to judge who was right about some opinion. Those who are "muqallid" will be sorta clueless on "why this opinion", those who formulate their own opinion will be able to answer whether the answer is right or wron will be judged THEN.

[yo_wasim]

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@Captain1

All your "questions" are directed at Brelvi sect, which atleast IMO is not on right path. They are not following the teachings of Abu Hanifa but they developed 'inferences' from concepts/issues in books by other scholars, resulting in a different set of "aqaaid".

Ok shall i now direct questions about Deobandi and TJ
Do you want the writing of Great Ashraf Ali Thanvi Baheste Zevar, what about Qasim Nanotwi. who is sat on the Lap of Allaah in the dream nauzbillaah.
Then what about Mohamed Zakariya Khandalwi, Fazail e amal

[yo_wasim]

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@Captain1

Don't get emotional bhai mian, those who follow Madhab are fine to an extent and those who formulate their own opinion are fine too, it will be upto Allah swt to judge who was right about some opinion. Those who are "muqallid" will be sorta clueless on "why this opinion", those who formulate their own opinion will be able to answer whether the answer is right or wron will be judged THEN.

Captain1 forget about getting emotional I am not, when I put across ther sayings then you will know how emotional you will get. When you get to know that these leaders ahve deviated so many individuals.

[hollowman]

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Now what is this new thing Madhabs

[yo_wasim]

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Give me an answer cricket palya what am I. I am waiting.