To Captain1 and Cricketpalya.
This is the important factor, now how it irritates that Abu hanifa may peace be upon him, never had a documented book and his only documents were of 12 pages.
His students Mohameed and Yousuf then had some of his teachings documented. Later it was only after 400 years after his death that a book concernig Haneefi Madhab was written.
My above points only defines that when people say we follow a Particular Madhab they are slandering all this top scholars in there name. Such as it is done for Abu Haneefa. This infact shows that it is Bida'h and he always followed the way of Prophet may peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him.
Now when there is no document Proof of Haneefi Madhab then
How come TJ, Barelvis and Deobandis say we follow Haneefi Madhab. When i put across those points thats how it hurts me as much as it hurts you because Abu Haneefa is being slandered.
When you are there in the Grave
The Angels ask you just 3 questions
1) Who is your Lord
2) Which religion
3) Who is Prophet Mohamed may peace and blessign of Allaah be upon him They dont ask which Madhab, and whom you follow.
Make it simple.
I never said i'm Salafi, i'm muslim who simply follow quran and ahdith! Again, pointing out out that hadith of prophet(SAW), he never mentioned that Salafi/Wahabi/Deoubandi/Berlavi will go to Jannah, he said, "those who will be like me and my companions". He never said those who follow this or that imaam.
It's quite sad to say that there were only and only 4 who understood the religion exceptionally better than the others! What about 2nd generation people?
All 4 imaams(May Allah be pleased with them) were great, alhamdulillah, and i'm sure neither of them said follow me or made taqleed wajab.
Even of say that taqleed is wajab then we should follow all 4? why only one? Are we saying that imaam's(Rahmtullah Alahi) teaching is better than the others? If no, then why can't we all follow ONE?
"Why only 4 Imaams?"
Because there were 4 scholars in that time... that's why!
My dear friend please answer my questions.
What only 4 Imams, is not Imam Bukhari a Imam, Imam Muslim an Imam
Imam Tirmidhi, Imam Abu Dawood why are there not Imams who is made these 4 Imams its the people.
During the time of Imam Hanbal there were actually 6 Imams who were followed but I forgot the names then the rest two imams slowly got defunct.
Yes simple question Salafi give me a definition of Salafi, you tell me am I a Wahabi, Salafi, Ahle Hadith or a Muslim.
One more dear friend I am not bothered what name you call us tell me what deeds are we doing are we rightly following Quran and the Hadith, why are bothered about the names it such a futile argument.
*During the the time of Prophet the People in Madina were called Ansaris and the one who did hijr were called Muhajireen. Now with the above explanation can you tell me are you bothered with the names allocated to them are by there religious factor. *
Define that first.
There is other Jamaat, which is called as Jamaat Ul Muslimeen, they openly declare all the Muslims as kafir mark my words as Kafir, because the only sect told in the Hadith accordig to them which goes to Paradise is Jamaat al Muslimeen.
The point they put across is there is none in the hadith as TJ, Barelvi, Deobandi or Ahle hadith its only Muslim. Now you tell me does the name matter my dear friend name doesnt matter look at what they follow, there aqeeda, manhaj. Its not the name we follow what was revealed 1400 years back to the Prophet.
We dont do chilla, Id ul Milad, Shabbe Meraj, Rajabs fasting.
Because our own Prophet did not follow this traditions accordign to authentic hadith. If he did I would be the first to follow.
By the way no one can Venerate, love Prophet more then Sahaba. Then when they havent followed who are called as salaf al saalihee the righteous predecessors who are we to invent something new. Now you know where does Salafi come from.
Now tell me again whether I am a Salafi, Wahabi, Ahle Hadith or Ghair Muqalid.
bhai jaan, people who are following a particular "madhab" are not following personal whims and desires of lets say Abu Hanifa, Malik etc, they are "muqallids" of those scholars/imams. People have abandoned study of religion and hence they have to rely on someone which in their opinion (or their "ancestral" opinion) makes more sense or some chodhary if their village chose to follow a particular scholar etc.
Abu Hanifa didn't create a religion/madhab of his own, he forumulated opinion after his detailed study on several issues of Quran, Hadith, Sahaba, Tabiyeen, Taba-Tabiyeen etc. So if someone choses to follow him, he is putting his money on opinion of Abu Hanifa and counting on his scholarly opinions to be true. This does not mean that they are free and only Imam Abu Hanifa will be punished if he made a mistake.
As far as I know, none of the 4 scholars asked people to follow them and none of them claimed to be infallible (error free).
Why make it simple yourself when the the Imam had done it 1000s of years ago? We are not scholars. We did not study hadiths. Come on, did you even read what I posted?
That's what i'm trying to say, then why the scholars of our time has made their taqleed wajab. If they aren't error free then why don't follow that Imaam, the only perfect human being of Bani Adam, Hazrat Muhammad(SAW)?
Is there any adhith or proof from Prophet(SAW) or any 4 Imaams(Rahmtullah Alahi) which says that follow this or that Imaam and taqleed of one the 4 Imaams is wajab?
Is there any adhith or proof from Prophet(SAW) or any 4 Imaams(Rahmtullah Alahi) which says that follow this or that Imaam and taqleed of one the 4 Imaams is wajab?
No.
What I was trying to say when I said "in our time it has become wajib", I meant just look outside, who is following Islam? Which is why we need rules and guidelines set forth. We don't want more confusion.
Why are the above mentioned Imams books are not taken for any jurispudence tell me. What you mean by Imam define whats an Imam first.
If only someone who forms opinions then he is called an Imam then every one who passes a fatwa should be an Imam.
Why are we arguing for so many things tel me if they passed any fiqh what was the source for this Scholars give me an answer who is the root for this fiqh. The answer is one Prophet Mohammed may peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him.
Shall i make it more simple I follow someone who had done it 1400 years back. You probably can guess, whats the name. Thats more simple.
Promise on the Quran and tell me today did Abu Hanifa tell anyone to follow his Madhab give me his one unequivocal statement from his own stuff. Basically there is no documented proof at all. Its we people who have made it.
Shall I post the sayings of People who follow Abu Haneefa shall I post it I dont want to, coz they slander Abu Haneefa it damn hurts from within.
By doing that they are not even slandering him but even our beloved Prophet in turn.
Do you have error free collection of ahadith?
Do you have error free opinions on issues which didn't occur in Prophet PBUH's time and are not addressed in Hadith/Quran?
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Is there any adhith or proof from Prophet(SAW) or any 4 Imaams(Rahmtullah Alahi) which says that follow this or that Imaam and taqleed of one the 4 Imaams is wajab?
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I am not the one suggesting taqleed as wajib, but if someone doesn't have knowledge and cannot set time for studying what should he do? There are literate people like us, and there are millions of illiterate people who cannot even read, what do you suggest they do?
There you go you answered it yourself. I don't get you man... your confusing. The Imaams got their sources from various hadith books... who is the source? You got it! The Prophet (PBUH).
What I was trying to say when I said "in our time it has become wajib", I meant just look outside, who is following Islam? Which is why we need rules and guidelines set forth. We don't want more confusion.
Then please don't say it's wajab to follow one of the 4 Imaams. Aren't Quran and Sunnah's guidlines enough for us? If we don't understand something from the ahadith then we should go back and read those Imaams'(Rahmtullah alahi) interpertations, not just one's all of them. Just reading one's is again ignorance. MashAllah they were great scholars but saying taqleed one of the fours just doesn't make sense!
Plus the adhith books came to known after the 4 Imaams(Rahmtullah alahi). Therefore, they didn't have enough ahadith and that's the reason of difference of opinions among them. Also, Imaams(Rahmtullah alahi) themselves said, if what they said go against any of the Prophet's(SAW) saying then throw their saying on the wall.
Not really, if you pick the different collections of ahadith NOW you will still find "differences", and if NOW people were to forumlate an opinion there would still be difference in opinions.
I will tel you now During the time of Abu Haneefa Islam was spreadign like fire. Due to this lots of cultures being inculcated people had to abandon lots of previous rites what they used to follow.
Like Abu haneefa cricketpalya he is not from Persia but from Iraq. There were lots of daeef, munkar and baatil hadith spread. But to keep the Prophetic tradition alive decisions had to be taken to only provide with authentic hadeeth.
Imam Abu Haneefa was wise, witty and good for making decisions. He only gave his ijtaha or opinion from the Quran and what Hadeeth had reached him. This even contained some daeef hadith also.
Why is it told to the Ummaah to follow Sitta al Saheeh because Imam Bukhari could not cover all the topics of Prophetic traditions so it was advised to read Imam Musim and the rest Hadith.
You got it right then thats what I follow, simple as it gets will you now stop proclaiming follow only one Madhab though there is strong daleel in the other Madhabs also.
I guess both of you don't get the simple meaning of why we follow madhabs.
I don't want to form my own opinion on how to pray or stuff like that. Which is why I follow a madhab. The Prophet prayed in many ways, do I have to pray in all those ways or can't I just pray in ONE way?! Please, we don't have minds of the great scholars of that time and we certainly will never have a mind like of the Prophet.
No, we don't but we do have the sources which tells us which ahadith are sahih!
If you're not, then why support it? If someone doesn't have the knowledge of Islam and lack the ability to read and study that doesn't mean he/she should blindly start following one of the 4 Imaams(Rahmtullah alahi) or listen to that Molvi who follows one. Being illiterate in Islam isn't the excuse at least not in the eyes of Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala.