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I thought topic was ‘fruits’ :hoonh:
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astagfiruallah @ #59 - inappropriate picture
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Seems like people who are the most rigid....can sometimes have the dirtiest minds. How can you claim that you are so pure (even when you are a cleric) if even something like a woman touching a certain kind of fruit will yield such thoughts in your mind. In putting forth such a ban....mullah sahib could be compromising his own image.
So true.. and I think it applies to quite a few of those crazy Christian evangelicals as well..
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This thread reminded me of a blog I used to read agess ago..
*'The muttawa—or religious police—are a self-elected goon squad of fundamentalists who surveil the Magic Kingdom’s inhabitants, particularly its expatriates. The purpose of their scrutiny is to ensure conformity to their own warped, narrow-minded interpretation of Islam. Their scrutiny is often asinine and always absurd, as the following mundane example illustrates.
A woman and her female friend were sitting on a bench in the Kingdom Mall, eating ice cream cones, when along came a muttawa, accompanied by a police officer. (You can always spot a muttawa by his beard, his thobe—the white gown worn by local men—that is always four or five inches too short, and a mien of profound hatred of all things different.)** The muttawa approached the women, pointed a menacing claw, and hissed, “Don’t lick it that way!”
Not being an authority on the subject, I can’t with any confidence say there isn’t a sura buried somewhere in the Qur’an covering the moral etiquette of licking ice cream. I suspect, though, the muttawa had wandered a bit beyond his moral jurisdiction.
“We just looked at each other,” the woman told me. “I mean, how else are you supposed to eat an ice cream cone? You have to use your tongue, right? We just sat there and watched our ice cream melt until he wandered off. Stupid muttawa**.”*
“Stupid Muttawa”. How unkind. They are public servants, just trying to do a thankless task in the interests of our moral purity. Some people think that the Muttawa live on a constant diet of fast food and confiscated porn, so that any lady who extends her tongue beyond her lips, especially to lick something, is going to evoke guilty and lascivious thoughts, provoking a sexually-repressed and puritanical reaction. But nothing could be further from the truth. Quite simply, there is a wrong way to eat an ice cream, and there is a right way.’
Source: The Religious Policeman
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i think molvie has a case of missing bananas …some bad experience with his womenz 
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Oh noes its on the internet it must be true. Next some random nameless cleric will say homosexuality is allowed in Islam and everybody will fervently agree with it.
The amazing part is that if the same news had come from a Pakistani Newspaper regarding some idiotic thing an American or white guy said about Islam you lot wouldn't be mocking it.
I understand you to be ridiculing the fact that it's an anonymous internet fatwa, followed by disapproval that people are in fact mocking this anonymous internet fatwa. I know I'm missing something here.
I won't comment on the dogged preoccupation with homosexuality-condoning Muslims.
Islams worst enemies are not the West. Is people who posted in this thread.
Agreed, it's not the West. We have an internal crisis created and perpetuated by us, not the Evil White Man From Amreeka. And I've found that generally, Pakistanis living in Pakistan understand this better than expats who are too busy defending their faith against Western prejudices to be able to introspect and constructively critique their own dirty laundry.
Such a tease. Why the passive aggression? Just name the "enemies of Islam" on this thread so justice can be meted out.
I'll offer my head preemptively. :D
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I understand you to be ridiculing the fact that it's an anonymous internet fatwa, followed by disapproval that people are in fact mocking this anonymous internet fatwa. I know I'm missing something here.
I won't comment on the dogged preoccupation with homosexuality-condoning Muslims.
Agreed, it's not the West. We have an internal crisis created and perpetuated by us, not the Evil White Man From Amreeka. And I've found that generally, Pakistanis living in Pakistan understand this better than expats who are too busy defending their faith against Western prejudices to be able to introspect and constructively critique their own dirty laundry.
Such a tease. Why the passive aggression? Just name the "enemies of Islam" on this thread so justice can be meted out.
I'll offer my head preemptively. :D
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I understand you to be ridiculing the fact that it's an anonymous internet fatwa, followed by disapproval that people are in fact mocking this anonymous internet fatwa. I know I'm missing something here.
I won't comment on the dogged preoccupation with homosexuality-condoning Muslims.
Actually both comments apply to the personality type of persons who find such stuff realistic and use it to mock Islam. Yet at the same time consider it freedom of expression when a Pastor burns the Quran. As for the homosexuality comment it is by far the best way to mess with the "modern liberal western educated Muslims". The fact that you have picked up on it is an example of this.
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Agreed, it's not the West. We have an internal crisis created and perpetuated by us, not the Evil White Man From Amreeka. And I've found that generally, Pakistanis living in Pakistan understand this better than expats who are too busy defending their faith against Western prejudices to be able to introspect and constructively critique their own dirty laundry.
Such a tease. Why the passive aggression? Just name the "enemies of Islam" on this thread so justice can be meted out.
I'll offer my head preemptively. :D
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Its an internal crisis for those who can not reconcile the faith with their western educated backgrounds. And more importantly the Pakistanis living in Pakistan understand this better are specifically the 1% elite who get a western liberal education. The common man on the street will pick the faith over western values any time of the day. They don't have any confusion on what they stand for and what the faith stands for. Its 1% educated abroad who have no connection with the average person who are introspective and critical. But then again that is more existential angst than intellectual discourse.
The enemies of Islam are simple. Those who use faith to hurl abuse at others and those who insult the faith due to personal emotional issues.
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grapes are sour…
molvi jee has a dirty mind 
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hahahahahahha, yeah maybe he walked in on someone at the wrong time 
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Peace I said this before and will say it again ... Giving such topics air time is, whether negative or positive, disassociating or mocking ... Giving it too much importance. I agree with CM.
If we hear such things all we need to say is ...
A) we align ourselves with the consensus of scholars known to us.
B) we don't entertain discussions when the basis for the information is not ratified.
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There is no molvi ... I would seriously have few words with the journalist and editors and ask them how much they sold their souls for?
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Exactly!
And what with the internet, anyone can say anything they want. Why it makes news should be worrying than the content of the news. Goddamn media! Working for THE MAN!
Trust this man with calling a spade a spade!
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Islams worst enemies are not the West. Is people who posted in this thread.
That's a really messed up thing to say.
While I understand why one would get upset over the article even making it to the news and getting published on an ACTUAL news site, I don't see how posting it on this specific forum (whether for discussion or humor-a satire piece) would mean one is validating it's authenticity.
Whether this is a result of yellow journalism or an actual "cleric" giving a fatwa (which is a possibility as well considering the abundance of morons we have in the Fatwa giving cadre), I posted this article keeping in mind that the majority of users on here are Muslims who would have the basic understanding of Islam and in no way find this article misleading or the fatwa valid. That’s out of the question.
Biggest enemies of Islam? I can’t believe you said that.
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i think he meant fattest ones..
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The enemies of Islam are simple. Those who use faith to hurl abuse at others
I could not have said it better. Looking in the mirror periodically would bring perspective and clarity of thought.
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What CM said above in southie's quote. This is jahalat.
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What CM said is correct.
I do not know if poster will receive infraction points from the mods 
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As for the homosexuality comment it is by far the best way to mess with the "modern liberal western educated Muslims". The fact that you have picked up on it is an example of this.
Pigeon-holing internet strangers helps maintain neat stereotypes about the world, no doubt. I am now a "modern liberal western educated Muslim." Takes a libertine to know one, eh.
And, come now, if you're going to make a statement, stand by it. No need to pretend you were casually trolling about gays to get a rise out of the flaming liberals that populate this flaming liberal forum.
I dunno, maybe your 'random' mention of homosexuals on a thread about sexy bananas is "why I picked up on it."
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Its 1% educated abroad who have no connection with the average person who are introspective and critical.
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Yes, critical introspection is what happens to bad people. Your frontal lobe is your enemy, always remember that. Nothing a concussion can't fix.
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The common man on the street will pick the faith over western values any time of the day.
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I wasn't aware this was a thread pitting Islamic values against Western values. (I see what you mean by "personal emotional issues" now). If you had a pulse on the sentiments of the underdog, you'd know the common man isn't looking to be instructed on what it means to be Muslim. The common man wants food on the table, a secure future for his family, and for the Americans and Soldiers of Allah to get the hell off his turf.
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Actually both comments apply to the personality type of persons who find such stuff realistic and use it to mock Islam.
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Still waiting for you to name the posters mocking Islam. Finish what you started. Perhaps you're projecting something you're experiencing offline? Muslims in the West this, Muslims in the West that. Why even converse in English? Which happens to be the official vernacular of Hell.
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Its an internal crisis for those who can not reconcile the faith with their western educated backgrounds.
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What on earth do the issues that face Pakistan today have to do with the identity crises of Westernized Muslim yuppies? Right, we don't lack indigenous Islamic scholarship, ijtihad isn't dead, we're not still reeling from Zia's draconian legacy, our airwaves aren't full of Zaid Hamids and Aamir Liaquats spewing reactionary hate speech, we're not calling rape victims adulterers or assassinating Pakistani Christian ministers in the name of God. It's the "western educated Muslim" that's actually b@st@rdizing the religion beyond recognition. The "liberals" are the ones braying the loudest, wielding the most clout, the ones hijacking the Islamic narrative. And what I've just described is a figment of my "existential angst" and a 'Western conspiracy to make Pakistan/Islam look bad.'
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The enemies of Islam are simple. Those who use faith to hurl abuse at others and those who insult the faith.
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We suddenly have scruples, do we. You mean like hurling the 'K' invective at minorities on this forum? Perhaps it slipped your mind that non-Muslims exist on our side of the border, unless of course you don't consider them Pakistani. Or classifying an entire thread of GS members as the collective enemy of a religion you fearlessly guard alone. Captain Cheerio, defender of the Momins, to the rescue.
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But then again that is more existential angst than intellectual discourse.
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Whatever discourse is, this ain't it. One minute you're advocating independent reasoning and name-dropping liberal thinkers like Orwell, and in the next breath you've turned into Farhat Hashmi with a handlebar moustache. Well what do you know, you might be an endearing bundle of contradictions like the rest of us, o' lamb of God.
ps. What are you smoking, out with it. 'Cos I want in on that stash.
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Can yoo please elaborate?
If you want to toss around recommendation for someone to receive infraction points, can you at least name the poster, what is it about the poster’s comments that deserves infraction points? We are having a discussion here - I dont see the need to appeal to the moderators for infraction points to be assigned to posters whom you disagree with. (CM himself does not resort to that).