The faith of hate...Is it Islam?

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Last week I scoured the internet for anti-Islamic websites…Man, hundreds of them…As I read through the posts I became aware of how much everyone holds hatred against us, and I mean utter and blind hate…From them wishing to detroy the Kaaba to cursing the Holy Prophet :saw:…There was nothing that those accursed kuffar left out in trying to belittle the Muslims, you would not believe…Pictures I can not describe were made against us in those sites…

I saw people from all faiths and nations join in, in belittling and slandering the noble people of the first Ummah and the Prophet :saw:'s family that truly deeply made me wonder…Why?

Simple…To hurt us…In any way they can through any media…To try and hurt us where it hurts most…Our Faith…The one thing Muslims have left, they attack that…And attack Muslims…

I strongly advise you NOT to go to those sites…Trust me, you’ll be shocked and hurt too…

Then I scoured all the Islamic sites that I could find in the hopes of hearing from Muslims any similar bad mouthings about other faiths, or ridiculing or belittling others’ beliefs…I couldn’t Alhumdulillah…

The only reason that I could come up with was that Islam, unlike other faiths, doesn’t need to judge, ridicule or question the faith of others…Islamic spirituality lies in its worship and following the path as has been shown by the Holy Prophet :saw:…

Buddhism was one faith which I truly admired for its ascetic, peaceful and transcendant outlook towards life, but a few

Buddhists that came on this site broke even that myth as they attacked Islam…

We must realize that the main function of any faith is achieveing spirituality and a sense of achievement…Failure to provide such a thing to its adherents, the followers are sure to look to other avenues for enlightenment…And the need to ridicule, insult and hate another’s faith arises from that lack of substance which a faith promises to fulfill leaving a void in spirituality that results in these anti-Islamic websites…

As a Muslim I thank my Creator for having made me Muslim and handed to me my faith Islam, which fulfills all my spiritual needs

…Islam, my religion, where no place ever exists where 2 Muslims meet and can talk about it for hours…It is so deep…How many faiths can boast that?

I thank Allah :swt: for making me Muslim, and giving me the best faith of all, whose deep spirituality is evident by the fact that our hearts are not satiated by insulting the faiths of others, instead are sated by learning more knowledge and benefit that our faith holds…

It is one religion, which can make all the other religions come together in a show of hate, whether Hindu, Christian,

Buddhist, Jew and atheists(If that is a religion) and help them fill that void that is left by their faiths by cursing and abusing all that Muslims hold dear…

Muslims don’t need to bad mouth any faith, any belief or any ideology to fulfill their soul’s need for enlightenment…Their faith is deep enough an solid enough not to warrant hostility or belittlement towards any faith…

Despite thousands of anti-Islamic websites, gross propaganda, media manipulation and outright hatred by the leaders of many faiths, Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion in the world MashAllah…And the converts are not just run off the mill converts…Most of them are highly read and knowledgable people…

It is in actuality a mark of pride for me when religious leaders like Reverend Graham, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and world leaders bad mouth Islam…It means their lack of faith and confidence in their belief has made them turn to Islam, and like Abu Jahal, who realized the truth about Islam, in arrogance and pride, turn to hating it and bad mouthing it…Then of course there are those rabbis and priests who did revert to Islam…What a fine end awaits them…:smiley:

Entire histories have been fabricated on these anti-Islamic websites so that anyone who wants to gain an insight into Islam is repulsed by that fake history. Those who libel Islam as an ignorant religion are resorting to spreading ignorance themselves…Entire Quranic texts have been taken out of context to show what haters Muslims are in order to misguide people…The same people who slander Islam with being a hating religion are resorting to hate themselves…So judge if you are capable, who is the lier and who is the hater? Who distorts the face of history and who creates confusion and misunderstanding? Who divides people on mere lies so that more and people hate a particular people…Study what each has to offer…

But those are just words from those who hate Islam…Allah :swt: knows, that what is in their hearts is far, far more poisonous and deadly…They wish upon the Muslims things that no Muslim would wish upon his staunchest enemy…

Muslims are taught to love and be just, never to hate and be unjust…And if the faiths being represented on those anti-Islamic websites are any indications of the depths of hate those religions are capable of resorting to, then I wish Allah :swt: lifts me from this Earth as a pure and untainted Muslim…Ameen…

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Re: The faith of hate…Is it Islam?

you have it completely wrong but then that’s par for your territory. Did you ask yourself why the whole world associates terrorism and islam? after all the websites are only websites. suicide bombers are even more dangerous don’t you think? what do you thing their websites say?

and before you start accusing me of hating islam etc look inwards first. that’ll be defending the undefendable.

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Re: The faith of hate…Is it Islam?

yeah this thread will attract them flies to honey.

have fun soul, yahudi, et al..

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Suicide bombers are nothing more than guerilla fighetrs without weapons waging wars with their lives...Too bad they are not backed up by hi-tech weaponry or being part of a regular army or having a billion dollars worth of media stuff to exclaim their acts as 'liberationist'...

Almost 40,000 Palestinians dead and you still have sympathy for Israel...Don't tell me you come from a faith that promises 'enlightenment' and 'truth'...

At least suicide soldiers don't spread hatred...They just want the occupiers out...Something anyone would want...

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Lajawab

Those anti muslim websites, the anti muslim media, the Governments who have declared war on Islam including AMerica and Britain all these kuffar should not even make you flinch one bit.

When i see them and there behaviour and actions i can see what it has done in just few months. The muslim world was very much divided you had many groups all against one another these actions by these kuffar have had the reverse effect and now the ummah is more united than ever!

And to see them with their lies should actually make you stronger in your deen. With the Kuffar governments actually now invading muslim lands instead of depending on there puppet rulers whose time is running out rapidly just tells me they have already lost because muslims have rejected the corrupt secualr thoughts and now the Kuffar have to resort to brute force invade land create new puppet regime and force there corrupt western values on us!

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It shows their own insecurities, they fear Islam and Muslims.

Trust me bro, that’s nothing compared to what their hearts conceal. They hate us; even their political leaders sometimes make accidental slips letting their hatred for Islam and the Muslim world ooze out of them.

They can’t harm Allah or his perfect religion they are only arranging a first class one-way ticket to hell for themselves.

They will never let go of a chance to try and destroy Islam, that’s why although Islam emphasises that we should be kind and caring towards disbelievers and interact with them nicely we are not take them as close friends, they will never fail to harm us or our religion.

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
Suicide bombers are nothing more than guerilla fighetrs without weapons waging wars with their lives...Too bad they are not backed up by hi-tech weaponry or being part of a regular army or having a billion dollars worth of media stuff to exclaim their acts as 'liberationist'...

Almost 40,000 Palestinians dead and you still have sympathy for Israel...Don't tell me you come from a faith that promises 'enlightenment' and 'truth'...

At least suicide soldiers don't spread hatred...They just want the occupiers out...Something anyone would want...
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so much agreed.... ! well said
-Salman

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Last week I scoured the internet for anti-Islamic websites...Man, hundreds of them...As I read through the posts I became aware of how much everyone holds hatred against us, and I mean utter and blind hate...From them wishing to detroy the Kaaba to cursing the Holy Prophet ...There was nothing that those accursed kuffar left out in trying to belittle the Muslims, you would not believe...Pictures I can not describe were made against us in those sites...
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I think that Allah (swt) has addressed the present situation well in the following Surah: Each ayah has a message for us. And Allah's (swt) promise never fails!

*Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah, even as he is being invited to Islam? And Allah guides not those who do wrong. *

*Their intention is to extinguish Allah's Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). *

*It is He who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it). *

*O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? - *

*That ye believe in Allah and His Apostle, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: that will be best for you, if ye but knew! *

*He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the supreme Achievement. *

*And another (favour will He bestow), which ye do love, - help from Allah and a speedy victory. So give the Glad Tidings to the Believers. *

*The Holy Qur'an (Sura Saff, or Battle Array: 7 - 13) *

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Come on yar, thats extremely stupid, I mean you cant blame a religion if some hate-monging extremist makes an anti-islamic website. Youre spreading more hatred by making such stupid comparisons, and instead of blaming the real idiots behind these sites, youre blaming their religions, which is a very cruel thing to do. You should utilize your time better than searching the internet for these sites, as no one really bothers going to these propoganda sites and base their beliefs on the hate posted there.

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as no one really bothers going to these propoganda sites and base their beliefs on the hate posted there.
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Not true. My boss at my new job did just that. Asked me if its true that muslims are supposed to rejoice at the death of Christians and people of other religions. I was horrified that he actually believed that, but I did clear it up for him. We were both relieved. He was from Jamaica and for some reason I didnt expect him to even think along such lines, but, what he read and heard in the media influenced his thinking.

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The kuffar have no trouble bundling all the Muslim of the world together as ‘evil doers’ and following the ‘evil faith’ or siding with ‘evil’…And anyways, most of the members on the sites I went to proudly proclaimed their faith…

Look at it this way…All the terrorists that the media portrays are ‘Islamic’ or ‘Muslim’ terrorists…Not Palestinian, or Pakistani or Arab…However if he happens to be from a different faith, then he becomes Rwandan, Irish, Cuban or Indian…Never Christian, Jewish or Hindu…Why?

The kuffar can cover their wrongdoings with words and you may believe them…However a single Muslim life lost is a thing to be alarmed at and something which should make us open our eyes and ask, why? Why did a Muslim die? What did the Muslim do? In the last 20 years more than millions of Muslims have died…Yet we are sitting swallowing the media that everything’s all right and we have nothing to worry about…

I guess many of us don’t wake up until the water’s way over our heads…Some prepare to move, some prepare to fight and some just sink and it’s the majority that sinks…

May Allah :swt: protect us…

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Last week I scoured the internet for anti-Islamic websites...Man, hundreds of them...As I read through the posts I became aware of how much everyone holds hatred against us, and I mean utter and blind hate...From them wishing to detroy the Kaaba to cursing the Holy Prophet ...There was nothing that those accursed kuffar left out in trying to belittle the Muslims, you would not believe...Pictures I can not describe were made against us in those sites...

I saw people from all faiths and nations join in, in belittling and slandering the noble people of the first Ummah and the Prophet 's family that truly deeply made me wonder...Why?

Simple...To hurt us...In any way they can through any media...To try and hurt us where it hurts most...Our Faith...The one thing Muslims have left, they attack that...And attack Muslims...
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good morning, so you finally woke up!!

Didn't i tell you there are hundreds of anti-islamic sites and forums??

any idea, why every nonmoslem in the world should hate Islam/moslems/and your prophet, so much??

Esp when, according to you, the moslem regimes were so tolerant and peaceful that rivers of honey and necter flowed in islamic paradises.

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Buddhism was one faith which I truly admired for its ascetic, peaceful and transcendant outlook towards life, but a few

Buddhists that came on this site broke even that myth as they attacked Islam...
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Think! why would even buddhist have anti-islamic gudges?? esp when they stormed to get converted to Islam, in present day Afghanistan/PAK territory, without being coerced!! Why buddhist monastries and seats of learning were destoryed, in now what is Bangladesh!
Why were they persecuted in Indonesia??
Forget Buddhists, Even a otherwise peaceful and tiny community of Zorastrians have 20 anti-islamic sites....and 5 forums sprewing anti-islam messages on them.
But according to your history books, they were captured peacefully...and they drove in hundreds to embrace Islam.

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Entire histories have been fabricated on these anti-Islamic websites
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how do you know the histories that you read in your books were not fabricated??
Do they teach you about Genocide of armenians during Khalifaa, about genocides of persians, about genocides of hindus, of jews, of buddhists, of animists, of christians??

Tell me, Why were those nonmoslems, who were captured peacefully, well kept and well fed, never speak about it??? why should they hold so much gudge against you??
think!!

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The kuffar have no trouble bundling all the Muslim of the world together as 'evil doers' and following the 'evil faith' or siding with 'evil'...And anyways, most of the members on the sites I went to proudly proclaimed their faith...

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Kuffar??
you call them kaffur...and than whine about them calling you 'evil'...haha...you are funny!!

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see post number 3, this thread.

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Soul, why do you have to get so heated up ? If Muslims are supposed to be this evil species of humanity, then why don't you - as a nonMuslim - show the level of kindness and respect that you assume is lacking in us ?

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HAHA ...Ravage, i read it....haha...., you know me so well....i took the bait....haha...

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Soul, why do you have to get so heated up ? If Muslims are supposed to be this evil species of humanity, then why don't you - as a nonMuslim - show the level of kindness and respect that you assume is lacking in us ?
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nadia, i am not atall heated up....look at the big grin...gleeeeeeeee!!

Kindness and respect....as you say, you get it when you give it to others... If you have ppl here hurdling 'KAFFUR' at us...what would you expect in return??

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oh for crying out loud :rolleyes: Name me ONE religion which wouldn’t regard non-followers as ‘unbelievers’. Every religion preaches the same thing - if you don’t follow ‘their’ way, then you are an “unbeliever”. Why are you so obsessed about Islam and Muslims? Why don’t you open threads where you criticize aspects of other religions - or would that not fit in well with an Islam-hating agenda ? What’s the purpose of all this anyways? If you don’t agree with Islam, fine. Live and let others live in peace too with whatever beliefs they have personally chosen. Just because you seem to disagree with it, does not mean that all of us are closed-minded, bigoted, intolerant, narrow-minded idiots for wanting to choose Islam as the direction of our lives.

jeez louise.

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It is one religion, which can make all the other religions come together in a show of hate, whether Hindu, Christian,

Buddhist, Jew and atheists(If that is a religion) and help them fill that void that is left by their faiths by cursing and abusing all that Muslims hold dear…<<

Lajjo, firstly all of us KULFFIS are not bonding together for the express purpose of cursing muslims. Secondly, explore the void in you that compels you to seek out anti-Islamic sites and cry like a baby whose candy has been snatched. I don’t know what you want, but it sounds as if you’re having a hard time dealing with the people out there who don’t like you.

Have you ever thought of doing some introspection?

If ‘Muslims are taught to love and be just, never to hate and be unjust’, as you say, then is the world plain crazy to misjudge such a peaceful and wonderful religion?

You don’t allow anyone to question a single line or verse in your holy book because it’s ‘perfect’. So in effect you’re telling the world to fook off because there is no defect in your religion or in muslims. What a superior attitude! And then you wonder why no one understands you.

I’m not saying you’re not perfect or Islam is bad - no way. I’m only asking you to try and search for some answers yourself. Do you know how many hindus ask themselves ‘why do we worship so many idols, why can’t we be like the muslims and concentrate on God only?’

They’re humble enough to admit that some aspects of Islam or Budhism are better than their own religion. No big deal.

Anyway, I liked your last line. YOu want to be lifted from this earth as a pure muslim - here’s hoping you don’t muck your feet too much in kulfistan. :flower2:

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What drove me to those sites was mere curiosity…My curiosity having been fulfilled, I shun those sites now leaving it to those who wriggle in it posting whatever the heck they want against Islam…As if it matters…

Despite all of these things Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion because people with open hearts still enter the ranks and files of Muslims in droves and droves…Like before 9/11 the conversion rate in America alone was 25,000 a year…Now it’s 100,000 a year…Something to think about, no?

As for waking up, yeah…I was awake the whole time, just hadn;t browsed enough…Thing is, doesn’t matter how many people come against Islam…It’s me personally who has to face the Maker…So why should I go and poke my nose in other’s people’s belief when I myself have such a rich source of spirituality to provide for my spirit…Maybe if I was weak I’d poke my nose into Hinduism or Buddhism…And don’t think I haven’t…I have, but never with the intention of ridiculing or insulting or belittling…Why should I insult someones belief just to placate my own non-existent spirituality…I have my spirituality and I am comfortable in it enough to know it doesn’ rely on insulting someone…

As far as opposition to the truth is concerned, heck man…Eesa :as: had the entire Roman empire against him, Hazrat Nuh :as: had his own people against him, Hazrat Musa :as: had the entire Egyptian empire against him and the examples are endless…But in your hurry to dismiss my claims about Islam being a purely spiritual faith you forgot the fact in whatever shape or way truth manifested itself, droves of people rose to quell it…It’s nothing new to Muslims…In fact, we welcome such opposition…Only makes our resolve even more stronger…

Anyways, it’s great to know that all the history you pick up from these sites can be easily brushed aside by a well versed history of scholar, Muslim or otherwise…

Never were non-Muslims treated with disrespect or aggression…Not a single place of worship anywhere was destroyed belonging to any faith…India itself is an example…The Mughal armies were strong enough to wipe out any traces of Hindus they wanted…Not a single Hindu was harmed under their rule…Even Hindu historians (That don;t fabricate stuff) will attest to that fact…

Thing is, the whole world can join in insulting our faith and beliefs, it won’t hurt us one bit…Muslims are secure enough in their faith not to hurt anyone’s feelings or belittle them…Faiths that lack confidence need to bolster their spirituality through such underhanded antics…Islam doesn’t ride on the shoulders of other faiths or beliefs…It is a testimony unto itself…

And karina, if you question your belief and its teachings, it’s not much of faith, is it?

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Lajawab, the way you think is very parochial indeed. You think just because youre a muslim, you ware right, and everyone is wrong. You are adding feul to this ongoing clash of cultures. Only idiots and dedicated cults visit these hate monging sites to disrepute other religions. Fortunately, this world is not full of such idiots. You view every non-Muslim as being your enemy, so why do you even live in a non-muslim country? You must accept that the best alternative for you, and all Muslims right now is to live in harmony with the non-believers. You said those that created those sites speak highly about their faiths. Didnt that idiot Osama and his goons use the name of their religion to do a similar thing too? There are anti-jew/anti-hindu sites created by those that proclaim to be the chowdries of Islam. Do you consider them so? I dont. If you think that these hate mongering websites are a threat to Islam, then sorry to say brother, your faith is weak.

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I would like to see those anti-jew and anti-Hindu sites Spock...

And who says if I live in a non-Muslim country I am surrounded by enemies of Islam...Allah doesn't forbid me to act kindly to those who are kind to me just because they are non-Muslims...They are my neighbours and I don't sense any animosity from them...

However, I won't stand for someone who wishes to persecute me for the sake of my faith...

What Osama bin Laden did was a reaction to what he perceived as a threat to the Ummah...The Americans had by that time killed 1.5 million children in Iraq and their stance towards Israel was like that of someone who unleashes a wild pitbull into the streets...The streets in this case being Palestine and the pitbull being Sharon...He acted on what he thought best and you act on what you think best...

However Osama never preached disrespect or outright hatred of Americans...He declared war on the States, he is fighting that war...He openly laid out his reasons for declaring that war and nowhere is there any disrespect or hatred...It may be a hit and run war, but that's how guerilla wars are fought...

Anyways, my reason for sharing this epiphany I had while browsing those was simply that Islam is a tolerant religion...it doesn't need to cook up falsified history to prove its authenticity, you don't like it, fine with me...

It doesn't need to drag other faith's holy relics and deities through muck to garner its spirituality, it is deep enough...

It doesn't need hatred of others to furnish its ideology with originality...It is a original as they come...

No faith will ever find animosity towards itself from Islam...Never did never will...

P.S. You may be solid in your beliefs Spock, but the day I find I am strong in my beliefs, is the day I will become weak...