The Faceless Enemy

Wasn’t there a war in the the former French Indo-China 30 years ago where this kind of situation happened?

"For the 101st, which fought the Taliban in Afghanistan and helped U.S. forces drive north into Baghdad during the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, there is the frustrating reality that otherwise friendly village leaders could be behind the bombs. "

And I do like the quote from the end of the article.

*Sgt. Maj. Vincent Camacho asked a taxi driver if he knew who was planting the bombs and where they could be found.

The man shook his head sheepishly and looked away.

Camacho asked the man if he wanted the American soldiers to leave Iraq. The driver smiled.

``God willing, you’ll all be gone soon,‘’ he said. *

God willing, indeed :slight_smile:

BEIJI, Iraq (AP) - The explosions erupt from sand piles on the shoulder of a road, or from potholes that pock the highways. They come from propane tanks filled with explosives and buried in the ground or from artillery shells wired and hidden in the shadows.

The enemy is anywhere and everywhere,'' said Sgt. 1st Class Tony Griskey, 36, of from Page, Ariz. There is no calling card on an IED,‘’ or improvised explosive device - a roadside bomb.

Soldiers in the division’s 3rd Brigade, the ``Rakkasans,‘’ face the same enemy every day in Beiji, about 150 miles north of Baghdad. It’s an enemy they don’t know, that has no face, that follows no battle lines and kills indiscriminately.

The war in Iraq has changed because of the bombings, according to soldiers who have had previous tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

For the 101st, which fought the Taliban in Afghanistan and helped U.S. forces drive north into Baghdad during the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, there is the frustrating reality that otherwise friendly village leaders could be behind the bombs.

Anyone could be an insurgent, and ahead of this week’s parliamentary elections, the attacks showed no signs of waning: Four American soldiers were killed Tuesday in a bombing northwest of Baghdad.

Each day, a white board inside a wooden shack turned into tactical operations center for Bravo Troop, 33rd Cavalry Regiment displays the day’s events.

Possible IED,'' one entry reads. IED explodes; four soldiers taken to aid station,‘’ another said in red ink.

One of the brigade’s most recent losses came from the 33rd. Cpl. Jimmy Lee Shelton, 21, of Lehigh Acres, Fla., died in a Dec. 3 mortar attack launched just after the morning call to prayer from a nearby village.

A convoy of soldiers moved to the mortar site and found only desert.

I can accept the fact that the guy got the draw on me. But not being able to see the enemy, it ain't fair,'' said 1st Sgt. Andre Johnson, 38, of Baton Rouge, La. Just show me your face. Let me know who you are.‘’

Frustrations like Johnson’s are common as roadside bombs become the insurgency’s preferred method of attack.

Direct rocket attacks and small-arms fire, which could help soldiers identify an enemy, are rare in Salahuddin province, said Maj. John Calahan, the brigade’s executive officer.

Instead, the same soldiers who stormed into Afghanistan for Operation Anaconda and fought Saddam Hussein’s Republican Guard are forced to rely on police tactics and investigations to find insurgents.

It's frustrating at times,'' Calahan said. If the enemy will step out and fight, we can fight him. But we aren’t trained to fingerprint.‘’

They collect evidence, work informants and follow leads.

A security guard at the oil refinery in Beiji, for example, tested positive for explosives last week when soldiers swabbed his hands. The bombs around Beiji, home to one of Iraq’s biggest refineries, still come at a rate of about 40 a month.

Sgt. Casey Stimson, 22, of Louisville, Ky., sat on a wall of sand bags surrounding a small metal building where he lives at Forward Operating Base Summerall. He knew the young corporal who died, and his brow furrowed as he spoke.

All we can do is keep hunting them down,'' Stimson said, staring at the gravel at his feet. That’s the worst part of this deployment, feeling so out of control.‘’

The deployment here would end if the soldiers could find the insurgents, said 2nd Lt. Seraph Townsend, 23, of Warrick, R.I.

You can't lead soldiers because there's nothing to lead them against,'' he said. They can sit two miles away with a spotter scope and blow an IED. I mean, that’s it. They can never leave the couch.‘’

During a traffic stop outside Beiji, soldiers from the division’s 1st Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment searched cars for bomb-making material this week, comparing drivers’ licenses with a list of known insurgents.

Sgt. Maj. Vincent Camacho asked a taxi driver if he knew who was planting the bombs and where they could be found.

The man shook his head sheepishly and looked away.

Camacho asked the man if he wanted the American soldiers to leave Iraq. The driver smiled.

``God willing, you’ll all be gone soon,‘’ he said.

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So mr macho camacho knows the yanks are not wanted in Iraq pity the idiots from da states who come on guppshup to defend the bush and his terrorist army don’t realise the same!

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``God willing, you'll all be gone soon,'' he said.
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I hope they don't leave, I hope they all die a horrible death.

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Do you mean the US troops? they are just following orders and serving their country anyone in their place would have done the same thing.

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Following orders…right. Did that excuse work in Nuremberg as well?

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Actually it did for the most part …as long as soldiers are not active participants in a genocide/warcrimes they can perform other functions in the armed forces.
For the most part US soldiers have not violated rules of warfare(except the prison guards) even though they are fighting militias

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And the ones who were active participants and stated that they were “only following orders”. Did it work? I don’t think so.

By the way, the whole war is an illegal one, which violates international law. So those 20000 innocent civilians killed in the first few weeks of the war as well as those innocents who continue to die is murder on the part of the US forces.

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We have to distinguish between the sadistic prison guards and the marines who battle it out with the terrorists in fallujah.
Which offensive war is not illegal ?but these decisions are made by politicians and generals

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You say “Marines who battle it out with terrorists in Fallujah”, and I say “terrorists who battle it out with insurgents in Fallujah”.

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Fret wizard,
How can you sympathize with the people who are killing innocent iraqis everyday?
Sure this war might not be entirely justified given the lack of international support but that dosent make every US soldier a "terrorist"

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Muslim blood spilled by other Muslims doesn't count as long as it's done for 'the cause'. 'The cause' by the way isn't to help Iraq or Iraqis but to hurt the U.S.

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You mean the common US soldier? I don’t sympathize with them.

Does it make every insurgent a terrorist as well? I don’t buy that BS. The US has murdered, yes murdered, more innocent Iraqi’s than the insurgency, AND Saddam Hussain put together.

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Who needs facts when you have emotions.

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Ahmmm! Faceless enemy may soon be a "tail-less" and "tooth-less" enemy.

Maulanas of Qaida are on the run. Iraqi Sunnis don't want them anymore. I guess Iraqis were smart enough to figure out that Faloojah type $tupidies only make "Faloodah" (mince meat) of Iraqis and needlessly prolongs the stay of American GIs.

So the new strategy of Iraqi Sunnis is to join in the political process to rid their hated uncle Sam. Sunnis may be hoping that with the departure of Uncle, they may scare Shias into submission and go back to the old merry ways.

However Uncle is here to stay. They will have a couple of nice bases in Basra and Western Iraq to keep a watchful eye on the bearded hazraat.

Best regards

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:eek: Can you quote any independent sources

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Spare us…US doctorine is exactly the same with respect to Iraqi bystandards…it’s all good so long as it’s for “Freedom” (aka the “cause”)…

All politics in Iraq is about undermining those that go against a party’s interest…the situation is not good…

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^^

Add the years of food and medicine sanctions plus this war...

You are the witness to the genocide of our times...We were not alive to witness the carnage that a people can commit during WWII, the darkest hour of the 20th century...You are now witnessing another dark hour in history of the 21st century...A merciless attack upon two hapless nations and the butchering of innocents...

These are historical times...People will not forget these atrocities and America will be remembered for today as Germany is remembered for WWII...

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There are tons. Just do a search. Here are a couple;

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

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Ahmmm! you must be talking about Sad-Damn’s gas attack on Halbjah, and massacre of Shias in the south of Iraq.

Sure Maulana’s will remember America even in their dreams. Even now they wake up in the middle of night uttering words such as “America”, “Bush”, “Oh God, it hurts”.

However sane people like Japanese and Germans kiss and make up for the past mistakes and get on with their lives.

Had Maulanas ruled Japan and Germany (kind of stretch of imagination), these two countries will still be similar to some freaking mountain-hole of Afghanistan.

Best regards

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so 100,000 is the max. figure given

granted the fact that many of them have been due to US bombings but many also are victims of terrorists

also u mentioned saddam as well the count of iran-iraq war alone exceedes 1 million