Please look at your sources. Actually go to the Iraq Body Count data base and LOOK at the cause of death for the last two years. 90% of the deaths are due to IEDs, mortars, car bombs, suicide bombs. The vast majority of deaths in Iraq are due to the same brutal people who killed ruthlessly under Saddam. Now unless you are one of the “cause and effect” appologist who believes that when a butterfly moves its wings in the US because Rumsfeld walks by, a third world person dies, then you should be able to sort out in your own mind who is killing Iraqis. Now I sort of doubt that you are type of deep thinker who actually looks at the facts, but here they are.
Ok, so in that case, there would have been NO deaths in Iraq, had the US not invaded. So basically, all the blood is on the US’s hands, whether killed by them or not, they are responsible.
But also bear in mind that had saddam or uday/qussay been in power for a few more years their would have been thousands of more disappearences/deaths.
its like saying that all those people killed by the commies in Indochina was the responsibility of the US cuz of their intervention in that war
Right, and where were the “brave” US liberators 20 years ago? Shaking hands with Saddam, that’s where. The US terrorizers have turned Iraq upside down, and caused countless deaths. At least under Saddam, there was order and security. Hell, the US terrorists can’t even maintain order in city block in Kabul for Christ sake.
Firstly I never defend american foreign policy(except in Indochina)
second saddam was used as a pawn by the US no doubt to counter the iranian mullahs and also growing soviet influence in the gulf,but that dosent mean they were directly responsible for all his atrocities some of the nations that condemn US war in iraq now were actually bigger collaboraters like Russia,germany,France Arab countries to name a few.
Order and security under saddam? there was also a lot of that under Hitler or stalin that dosent mean they were good rulers.
As far as maintaining law&order is concerned that depends on a lot of factors and it is virtually impossible with a hostile civilian population,where any tough action if taken is interpreted as “oppressive acts of a colonial power”.Having said that there were indeed mistakes committed early in the war when civilians and thugs alike were allowed to loot arms dumps.
There have been other kissers in our history as well…Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq and the treacherous emirs of Baghdad…
We remember them alright…
For those following the path of God, they don’t kiss and make up to anyone…Neither Germany nor Japan follow the path of God…They follow money and prosperity…The followers of the path of God follow the path of God like Prophets who have been killed, like martyrs who were tortured and saints who have been burned at the cross…
If the Prophet Ibrahim :as: kissed and made up, he wouldn’t be a Prophet…Similarly if the Holy Prophet :saw: and the Sahaba had kissed and made up to the Kuffar, we wouldn’t have Islam…
You do the kissing and making up to the Kuffar…You are good at that…Leave those that follow the path of God to reach their destination whether by a bullet or on a torturer’s transom…
You look at two days worth of life of the Kuffar and are enamoured to the point of bowing yourself in prostration before them…These ‘Maulanas’ bow their head to no creature even if it means losing it and have their sights on higher goals…
There is a vast difference between you and them…You kiss ass and make up and leave them to stand fearless and noble…
The Japs have never "kissed or made up for their past mistakes"
they assasinate writers who write about jap warcrimes
and glorify their wardead in numerous shrines
They even refuse to pay wardamages to the millions of chinease/koreans they killed
Hirohito the man responsible for the warcrimes was allowed to live till the age of 90
Had this happened in germany it would have been in headline news across the world
This post is typical of Maulana Ata-Ullah Shah Bukhari. He would say things without ever looking at history or present.
Oh Baboo! Learn to write English first. Mohammad saw was a Messenger and not a prophet.
Back to our topic, Messenger ‘saw’ kissed and made up with Kuffar in Hudaibya treaty. What else you call the terms such as “Our man goes over to Makkah, you keep him. Your man comes over to Medina, we don’t offer him asylum”. This was apparently humiliating for Muslims. That is why Umar rah spoke against the treaty. However the rest of the sahaba rah figured it out and supported the Messenger saw.
So there you have it. I am sure there are a lot of Maulanas denying if Hudaibya treaty ever existed.
Mr. Lajwab, you have no answer to Hudaibya treaty. No need to get funny on the word Messenger.
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Back to our topic, Messenger ‘saw’ kissed and made up with Kuffar in Hudaibya treaty. What else you call the terms such as “Our man goes over to Makkah, you keep him. Your man comes over to Medina, we don’t offer him asylum”. This was apparently humiliating for Muslims. That is why Umar rah spoke against the treaty. However the rest of the sahaba rah figured it out and supported the Messenger saw.
So there you have it. I am sure there are a lot of Maulanas denying if Hudaibya treaty ever existed.**
had kissed and made up to the Kuffar, we wouldn’t have Islam…