the existence of

[Theorist]

Re: the existence of

@rainydays

Perhaps one of the reasons could also be the fake image used to represent jesus, that is of cesar borgias. If unpleasant historical characters will be used to represent a holy figure, it might make them look somewhat mythical. But then again even if there do exist such opinions, they seemingly are in minority. And these kind of studies do not only involve historians, but also anthropologists ,archaeologists etc. So perhaps due to that you will get to hear varying opinions.

Yes and here comes the second part of kalma. If what prophet has taught(ahadees) do not make up part of iman then why does one think reciting second part of kalma is so crucial and vital to iman.

What you call redundancy, is the consistency in the message. That is it is coming from and all the knowledge given to humankind is emanating from one and only one single source, Allah. The past scriptures contained prophecies about the arrival of final prophet and it was a requirement of faith that if during your lifetime the final prophet arrives, you will have to testify to the truth of his prophet hood and follow his teachings. And while following one scripture if one has to make choices based on the excuse of redundancy then one does not need to follow any scripture in the first place because when you follow scripture you have to follow scripture rules too.

And the redundant stories you are talking about were not even known by majority of the people following Christianity and judaism, at that time (prophet Mohammad’s life) because much of the actual scripture content was hidden and doctored by their own priests and Rabbis. And they were extremely biased people who would share that with Prophet, a person they hated so much for being a chosen one. The real knowledge was also limited to very few people. And even in this day, when you see 66 books of bible, every new edition published still carries more changes.

And no prophets didn’t find God, they always knew that God existed. The knowledge of existence of God is innate and implanted in human mind. And then does Quran not talk about revelation coming through Angel Jabriel, and about several other prophets. Even if you read a translation of Quran you will find that out, if you really want to. Nothing about prophets’ beliefs and how they found God has been kept from us. It is so transparent.

If you do not want to find God through a middleman, fine don’t, go and mediate, look for Him yourself, if you will truly find God, you will seek His word through Quran.

Theorist dude, jissay Khuda ki justuju ho woh ussay apnay wajood may bhi mil jata hai.

You of course being a Muslim would tell me Islam is the truth. Had it been a Christian, they would know Christianity to be the truth. there are a thousand others who will try and convince others that their religion is the truth. This is the problem, you see.

I don’t want to get deep into this argument for obvious reasons. I respect what you believe but you cannot simply tell me that your version is the best for me to follow. That is for me to decide. If I told you The Mahdi muslims are waiting for came and went, would you just accept it? Just as there is a second coming of Jesus, there is Mahdi. As far as christians are concerned, there has never been a second coming of Jesus. Why should they have accepted Muhammad as God’s last prophet when you don’t accept Mirza Ghulam ahmed as the Mahdi? He has a hug fan following, no? Enough in numbers to make you question whether he is for real but you still won’t believe, unless you were born into an Ahmedi family.

do you see where I am going with this. This whole organized religion thing is people following other people. I would rather go off on my own and let God show me. Wherever that takes me, I am game for it. If it is islam, I will eventually find it through my experience.