so there’s a widely held opinion amongst some people/historians etc that jesus christ may have never existed.
what is your opinion on that and what implications does that have for islam and Christianity
the same is not thought about Mohammad (saw) btw..
none of these views are my own…i just like asking.
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This don't sound like science tech questions :/
Anyhoo. Implications are nothing. Those who believe, they believe.
Muslims believe jesus existed, because quran says so. So doesn't really matter.
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well not only existed...he was raised to the heavens and will return..did you forget ???
and this is scieence and nature. my thread is more on the nature side.bus..
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well not only existed...he was raised to the heavens and will return..did you forget ???
and this is scieence and nature. my thread is more on the nature side.bus..
so your question is more to do with the science and technology behind Jesus's ascension to heavens and his ultimate return back?
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Doesn't matter what the scientists say. People who believe in religion will continue to do so, regardless of what any scientist says. religion and logic don't always go hand in hand, some things are just left on faith.
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That opinion has to be a minority because I'm fairly certain that the historicity of Jesus is widely accepted. Whether he was everything religious texts claim he was, is another matter, but someone fitting that description did exist, and he was executed by the Romans.
Actually Quran never said that. It’s only believed through ahadees.
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That opinion has to be a minority because I’m fairly certain that the historicity of Jesus is widely accepted. Whether he was everything religious texts claim he was, is another matter, but someone fitting that description did exist, and he** was executed by the Romans.**/QUOTE]
Not jews?? 
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Actually Quran never said that. It's only believed through ahadees.
interesting.
because this is one of the most fundamental beliefs muslims have...and could it be that it is not entirely correct...
I agree. Though I wonder if believing in his return is part of eeman or not
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Christian version is that he was held by Romans at the Jews’ requests, Romans did not want him dead but as they controlled the land and the law and order they executed him due to the demands of the big Jewish population. I think. 
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^precisely.
Some people also think that Jesus' missing years were spent in India and the Himalayas to learn the ways of the Buddhist monks.
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Quran tells us to follow the Prophet SAWS. Listening/obeying is part of following. That said if the Prophet SAWS has said in indusputable and sound/authentic ahadith that Jesus will return, then I consider believing that to be part of iman.
As for implications on Islam? Doesn't bother me. As said up above, those who believe will believe. If one has doubt that the Quran is not Allah's word, then they will question the existence/occurrence of many Prophets and events and not only Jesus's existence. If one believes that the Quran is Allah's word....and this would entail doing research on what exactly makes the Quran a miracle....then they will believe in Jesus's existence among other things that are far more stranger.
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" If one believes that the Quran is Allah's word....and this would entail doing research on what exactly makes the Quran a miracle....then they will believe in Jesus's existence among other things that are far more stranger."
That is why religion is a matter of faith. Most would contend that a vast majority do not do research before believing in miracles. Or that their "research" is limited to what their vadyaar tells them.
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Yes, it requires faith...especially in the unseen and events that defy laws of nature. But a certain amount of common sense and logic is involved as well. And if one takes out the time to research why the Quran is a miracle or what makes it a miracle, it's explained thru logic (the structure of the Arabic, the sequencing of the Quran, the accuracy in language, how it was revealed) and requires the seeker to use more aqal/logic than faith.
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explain why it is a miracle, rv..
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If people now start claiming that he didn't exist, it wouldn't change anything for me.
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There is no way that a man who was illiterate can convey revelation in a language that is so accurate. Rather than attempt to explain it in my own inarticulate way, it’s better that you hear the explanation from a scholar and expert of the Arabic language..someone who has studied the nuances of the language as well as the Quran. The speaker, Nouman Ali Khan, was once an atheist. His videos have increased both my knowledge and faith, so in response to your question Phil, I’m going to direct you to the same source that I used:
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I may be wrong but even the prophet himself was surrounded by people who had deep knowledge of other religions, Christianity and Judaism. It was completely possible that this information was simply given to him. It’s the same stories circling all Abrahamic faiths.
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Exactly. Monk had provided similarities among religions in other thread. There were philosophers that time that were deep thinkers. Their thoughts r pretty much similar.
Believing in miracles requires more aqal than faith is an opinion. Based on faith. Questioning requires.aqal. following requires faith. Hardly any aqal.