the existence of jinn

Shivangi, this is in reply to your post.
I decided to open yet another thread regarding jinn. We were getting a bit off topic in the other thread.

Now, to your concept of personal experience with jinn. First of all, I just want to say that I usually don’t take theories about the Islamic perspective on something into deep consideration unless I have read it from the Quran with my own eyes or it has been stated in an approved Hadith. So, the following is what I know to the best of my knowledge. (*note: if anyone sees anything wrong with what i have said, feel free to correct me):

  • Jinn have the ability to come inside a human being. When a jinn has taken control of a human, you can usually tell because of a change in their voice, and their faces look a bit “scarier”. Actually, one of my mother’s cousins (she died a while ago) was known in the family for having random fits. She’d suddenly throw a tantrum and her face would turn all red. Her voice would change to a deeper tone, and she’d throw things across the room, etc. People in my family have said that it is very possible that a jinn was making her do such things. (Yea, It’s kinda scary :frowning: )

  • Another (as shivangi says) “illusional” creation: The devil. Shaytaan (the devil, Satan) has the ability to affect us while we are dreaming. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) once said: “If one of you sees a dream which pleases him, it is from Allah so let him praise Allah and speak about it. But if he sees other things which he dislikes, it is from Satan, so let him seek refuge in Allah and not mention it to anyone and it will not harm him.”

  • Shayateen often play with people’s minds, causing them to question certain issues. They make us ponder over things we can not fully grasp, such as “Who created this and that?” ..Until satan will make u ask, "Who created your Lord? Is your Lord real ? Why did he create you for no reason or a reason? " When a person is faced with these thoughts one should seek refuge in Allah and stop such idle thoughts.

  • There is a record of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) converting a tribe of jinn to Islam.

So, those are just a few of the many sources from the Islamic perspective indicating that jinn are, in fact, real and that it is not just some “interpretation” we have made from our puny human minds. :rolleyes:

The concept of jinn is not simply a metaphor in the Quran of an evil force. First of all, not all jinn are evil. Some are good (Muslims) believe it or not. Secondly, jinn are not just used as an expression to get across the idea of evil spirits causing us to do bad things because there are several places in the Quran stating detailed examples of jinn. One example is that it has been said by the Prophet (saw): " DO not wipe yourselves clean with bones for they are provisions for your brothers." This means that jinn eat leftover bones. If jinn were just a misinterpretation of humans as being a physical creation, then why has it been said by the Prophet (pbuh) himself that they eat, taking in a source of energy, just as every other physical creation of Allah (SWT).

Jinns are also able to have sexual intercourse. They live in families, just as humans. Once again, why would we be told this, if the theory of jinn was just a vague metaphor of “evil spirits” that take over our minds?

Finally, you mentioned that a word could be interpreted incorrectly. That’s highly unlikely when it comes to Islam. The main difference between Islam versus Christianity and Judaism is that Islam follows the Quran, which has remained the same since it had been sent down to us. There is no need for us Muslims to worry about misinterpretations or words taken out of context incorrectly. When something is written in the Quran in pure Arabic, then it is set. No doubt about it. BAM end of story. :k: You get me?

P.S. I give much credit to Crescent_ . I copied some of the information straight from posts that you had previously put up. :bummer:

phew Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go have myself a cookie :blush:

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They exist alrite. There are good uns and bad uns and tend to live in deserted areas. They do have families etc. and occasionally interact with humans, most likely with those who are living in remote places.

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Believe me jinn DO exist. I my self used to be good jinn. Until God ticked me off when he asked me to bow before Adam. I refused and he kicked me out of heaven. Since that day I am on a mission to deviate mankind from the path of his worship.

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^^ :bummer: Would you cut the whole Devil act?
Hey and have you ever read the book “Screwtape Letters” ? I know it’s from a Christian point of view, but I was just wondering.

And yes, I do know they exist. I’m trying to explain that to Shivangi :smack:

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everything that phatima wrote is correct.

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Ok thanks man :k:

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^ You are a lucky duck

you got the rare official approval from gupshup religion forum :k:

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^^ Omg! WOW! :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Yea, this is my first thread in the religion forum. I read a lot in here before, but didn’t post anything because people are so rude sometimes :bummer:.

Ok so what does this “official approval” mean?! :slight_smile:

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OK fatima meri banno:

There r lot of misconception abt fits due to epilepsy,hysteriya etc all these r concerned with ur brain and here in subcontinent i ve seen ppl taking patients of fits to holy man for cure.well as future doc let me tell u we know the cause of fits in human brain but today technology is not so advanced that we can permanently cure it but it can be controlled.Now take for example the cause of fits due to epilepsy.Our brain has electric discharges to send signals to nerves in order to perform various body functions.these electrical discharges r known as neurons.well when there is some erractic discharge of neurons in brains it causes fits and if these signals dont reach the other part of the body then that part stops working ie it becomes paralysed.

U said u grand ma had fits problem and her voice changed and became male like.the reason for that is in fits ur muscles becomes stiff and thus in case of ur grand ma it may ve affected her vocal chords there by changing her vibrating freqencies.so thats the reason her vocie changes during fits.and now a person can die due to massive fits also if it effect its vital organs.

Look u being in usa must ve not believed in these things like a person possesed by spirits etc.

Ok if holy books says there r spirit i agree but i'll only believe if i exp it like gravity with proofs.now as i said before im not atheist i believe in supreme but accept it only when i exp it.

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lol then allow me to exp god

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LoL, not my grandma :smack:. My mother’s cousin. :hehe:

Ok, you say that you do believe in God (the Supreme). Have you ever had a personal experience with God?

Same with other creations of God (apart from animals/humans/plants), we accept it because of our belief. The same way you choose to believe that there is a God, we choose to believe that Allah (swt) has created these beings we refer to as “jinn”.

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fatima u know abt my religious views as i tolds u many times.i didnt exp god but wud love to and for that matter im not into any religion now i just do the comparative study of the religions (which i told u many times).im confused abt god/jinns/angels coz i didnt exp them in my 22 yrs life.but the arguments u give me to believe them r not complete that seems to me a bed time story.on the contrary i gave u the scientific explaination of the incidents u told me that can be jinn.

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[quote=“phatima1Hey and have you ever read the book “Screwtape Letters” ? I know it’s from a Christian point of view, but I was just wondering.
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“The Screwtape Letters” by CS Lewis (big friend of JR Tolkien of “The Lord of the Ring”) inspired two other books written along similar fashion: “Screwtape writes again” by Walter Martin and “The Screwloose lectures” by Larry Richards. Martin’s book according to me the best.

I don’t think Muslim’s would relate easily to the three books as they primarily is written for Christians teaching/informing them as to the way Satan and his host MIGHT work against God’s plan in their lives. Many Christians also don’t relate well to the books as they don’t like reading the so-called mind of Satan and his followers.

As to “jinns”, what is the difference between jinns and angels as it seem to me that Islam make a difference between them?

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Angels are beings - if thats the correct word who are for the purpose of carrying out deeds for Allah. In other words its not possible for them to sin - so I think. On the other hand I think jinns are more like humans - in that they are not as ‘pure’ - again excuse my word choice.

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add to that:

Angels are made of Light - The Noor while Jinns are created from Fire so to speak.

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Ok, you gave me a scientific explanation. And I gave you a Quranic explanation. :slight_smile:

I don’t really know much about scientific theories and all that. I’d say I do know a lot about philosophy (Islamic views, especially). So, therefore, I give you a good enough reason for Muslims to believe in Jinn and God, for that matter. If you choose not to believe in them, then that’s absolutely your decision. :hula: Our job as Muslims is only to preach about Islam and spread the word. We are not here to force anything amongst anyone. :slight_smile:

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Oh, ok, so you have read them? Yea I have too. I know it’s from a Christian point of view, I was just a bit curious.

The Quran says that Allah (swt) created Jinn from a smokeless fire. I BELIEVE it also stated that Angels were made from a light, but** I AM NOT POSITIVE**. (somebody please correct me if i’m wrong)

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You are not wrong.

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Oh, Okay. AQ just stated that Angels ARE made from light. Therefore, there is a significant difference between them.

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According to what you people wrote Islam believe:

  1. Angels are made from light and can't sin
  2. Jinns are made from a smokeless fire and basically live as humans do (can sin, have families, etc.)
  3. Jinns can take posession of humans

Please correct me if I misinterpret something.

Can Angels also inhabit/posess humans?
Are there according to Islam more creations other than Angels, Jinns, and Humans?
Are Angels a higher lifeform than Jinns, which is a higher form than Humans?