The difference between India and China

I say China and India are at different levels, and many Indians don’t understand.

In any Chinese cities, no slum exists, also no large scale begger problems. In China, food and clothing, minimum housing are no longer problems for anybody, but India still has the that problems.

Color TV, refrigators, air-conditioner, computer, motorcycle, cell phones…, these items any Chinese can afford to buy, even the poorest man. The color TV sold in America, though very cheap already, still doubles its price in China, and usually one generation behind Chinese market. Every Chinese family has a fixed line phone already, not mentioning cell phones, which are the must even for garbage collectors and beggers. Car is no longer a luxuries stuff any more, most of people can afford, the brand new domestic made car is sold for less than 5K usd. For many Indians, those are still dreams.

For mordern Chinese, the current social, economic problem are:

Soaring Housing price in the cities. Not the house just with water, electricity and sewage, but the decent ones like western style fancy apartment. Every body wants it so really drive the price up, due to the land resource constrains.

College tuation fees. In 15 years, Chinese college/university enroll number goes from 1 million to 5 millions, and marching toward 10 millions now. College education in China is no longer something only elite can afford. But the tuation fee is really shooting up as well, since graduate eduation is commercialized. Many people complain becasue bulk of their income increase has to be redirected to there, they are not happy.

Pension/medicare. Due to the old security system are abandoned in China, but the new one hasn’t been set up. A big imbalance exists. For some sectors they are extremely well off, but for others they dont even exist. The people are not happy since they think it’s unfair.

So the biggest problems for Chinese are housing(not a place to live), education, pension and medicare. These are the industrial society problem China just starts to experience, but many Indians haven’t just realized.

The two societies are at different levels.

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^^ No comparison. Chinese are a Mistri (factory-worker) nation. While Bharatis are a Munshi (clerks, office seceratary) nation.

Mistris make more $$ per hour than Munshis.

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Now if any Indian feels that we are equal to China in economic growth than he is wrong. China has more rapid progress and has bigger economy than India.
Though China's biggest problems are following two..
1. NPA of banks are in 20%+. That means banks if not supported by Govt. are unviable proposition. Hence economy becomes totally state dependent.
2. The Currency rates are artificially controlled.

Above two are biggest challenges China has...

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A Tale of a Rising Tiger Chasing a Soaring Dragon
As their nation booms, Indians can’t resist comparing stats with giant neighbor China.
By Henry Chu, Times Staff Writer
May 1, 2006

NEW DELHI — Politics and cricket may be the standbys of Indian small talk, but if you really want to get a conversation going here, turn the dial to China.

India’s northern neighbor is the hottest topic in town, the buzzword on everyone’s lips. Whether politicians or pundits, entrepreneurs or engineers, nobody here, it seems, can obsess enough over China.

Who has more people? China does, with 1.3 billion, though India ranks a close second, with just over a billion. Who has built more roads, bigger airports, taller skyscrapers? China again, by a convincing margin. But who boasts more billionaires? Chalk that one up for the home team, an edge that makes Indians puff with pride.

Such comparisons have become something of a national parlor game here as Indians increasingly look to China as the yardstick by which they measure their own progress and success. Excited by their country’s development boom, they are now eager to play catch-up with the economic big bang on the other side of the border.

" ‘Obsessive’ is a mild term for the kind of attention that China gets, and it’s always in terms of how many roads do we have, how many billionaires do we have," said Subarno Chattarji, a professor at the University of Delhi. “They are the role model.”

Newspapers brim with references to the Middle Kingdom, backed up by explanations, charts and graphs showing how India compares. Articles parse how India stacks up against China in foreign investment, literacy, Internet use, quality of higher education and even water distribution.

The fixation is fueled by a mixture of admiration, insecurity and rivalry. At root is the grudging recognition that China, for all its problems, remains the runaway leader on many fronts, in spite of India’s emergence as a high-tech colossus, the cascade of jobs created by Western outsourcing and the nudge into the middle class of millions of aspiring workers.

“China has been successful — let’s accept it. We want to emulate China no matter how we say we are different and want to be different,” said Chetan Ahya, an analyst with Morgan Stanley in Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay. “The fact of the matter is that they’re on top.”

Such a bluntly complimentary attitude isn’t without precedent. As long ago as the 7th century, a Chinese Buddhist monk returning from 17 years of travel and study in India asked, “Is there anyone in the five parts of India who does not admire China?”

In modern times, however, the relationship between the two countries has been marked more by mutual suspicion and, at times, outright hostility.

Although New Delhi and Beijing pledged lasting friendship in the 1950s — a popular slogan at the time, “Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai,” proclaimed that “Indians and Chinese are brothers” — the two countries fought a border war in 1962. They gave each other the cold shoulder for decades afterward, each pointedly cozying up to the other’s enemies.

In 1991, India decided to dismantle some state controls to boost its economy. By then, China had more than a decade’s head start and was already embarked on its spectacular market-oriented growth.

Comparing the two Asian giants has since become a fashionable pastime among academics and Wall Street analysts who latch on to the obvious similarities: two ancient civilizations with billion-plus populations hauling themselves abreast of modernity, backed by talented entrepreneurs and cheap labor, with the added spice of atomic weapons thrown in.

China dwarfs India in most key respects. Its economy is more than twice as large, it receives 12 times as much foreign direct investment, and its exports are six times that of India’s. It boasts a larger infrastructure network, a more literate population and less abject poverty than India, where more than 350 million people eke out an existence on less than a dollar a day.

In terms of manufacturing, “made in China” still reverberates far more loudly across the globe than “made in India.” But India, even as it tries to whip its industrial sector into more competitive shape, is positioning itself as the yin to China’s yang.

Let Chinese workers churn out computers, refrigerators and cellphones, many Indians say, we’ll focus on the software — not just what goes into those computers but also the sectors such as the service industry, where a more skilled, better-English-speaking workforce gives India an edge. Foreign companies set up factories in China; in India, they invest in call centers and back-office service providers.

In 2005, industry accounted for 53% of China’s economic output and services 32%. The situation was flopped in India: 51% services and 28% industry.

“I think India feels there’s room for both of us, that both countries have their respective areas of advantage and that both will do well,” said Prabhu Ghate, a commentator here.

Greater confidence and boldness have taken root among Indians, who until a few years ago balked at comparisons with China, finding them not only depressingly to their disadvantage but a little scary, Ahya said.

“There was a sense of self-doubt in India …. People were not exactly as confident as you see them now,” Ahya said. "A lot of them did get worried about Chinese competition, that, ‘They’re going to kill me, they’re going to wipe me out,’ whether it’s motorcycles or color televisions.

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It is understandable that a Pakistani would try to live vicariously through China. Aftrerall, China's economy is doing well and China is a growing world power. It is all together befitting that other nations would want emulate China and want to be spoken in the same breath. Leave aside there are few, if any, Chinese that can even name Pakistan on a map or even know they have an "all weather" friend. I bet, though, most Chinese know where India is.
Being a communist nation, you can restrict how people move. China can pass laws requiring people to get a housing pass to live in cities, India being a democracy and free society cannot do that. India can't put up a false facade of clean cities by barring the poor.
Is it just me, or does any seem to think unrest in Chinese rural areas is going up? I wonder what people in Xian Jian would say about the above analysis.

But I suppose Pakistani sour grapes have to be aired in some way.

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If india is a democracy then why doesn't it hold a referrendum in Kashmir?

India is nothing more than an apartheid democracy. And quit harping about democracy. This forum isn't filled with a bunch of flag waving red necks from alabama. Its mostly indian and pakistanis. So your constant harping of india being a democracy is nothing more than a cheap attempt to show how advanced india is and how everyone lives in harmony.

If that were the case, then there wouldn't be a military occupation of kashmir, the chaos and insurgency in assam and orissa or the massacare in gujrat or the power the hindus weild in demolishing the mosques.

You mean to tell me that this is democracy?

Arabs in Israel have more democracy than muslims or lower caste hindus in India

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We dont want referendum in kashmir because we dont want to loose any territory. We dont want our country to be divided. We dont want to loose territorial integrity. Besides, kashmiris themselves have many divisions amoung them whether it is hindus, buddhists or muslims. This is not a problem where solution can found easily.Besides everyone has equal oppurtunity. What is that talk of low caste hindus or muslims have no democracy?. They have more democracy than upper caste or so called high class people. You know how?....by reservations in education, by reservations in public sector, by subsidies for their education and now there is a move to give reservation to them in the private sector. Even muslims have this in education, "i think". But not as much as so called low caste hindus. And, low caste hindus have certainly been oppressed in the past and i am sure will be happening even now , but i dont know where. Besides i am not saying, india is a heaven where everybody leaves in harmony. We are just trying to find harmony amongst diversity, even successful also in many cases. But ofcourse, this has been seriously disrupted in the past. I dont have to name them i guess.

And, china is definitely ahead of india as far as economy goes.

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Yaar, he just said India is a democracy... why was so much smoke in room......
As for Kashmir, as per democracy they are voting the Government year after year. Last election saw more than 55% coming and voting within constitution of India..

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How pathetically little u know about India....Anyways..the point is not about India's democracy etc but the fact which you anyways can deny and hence this diversion..that in China movement is controlled while in India, you cannot do that..so you will see slums...you will see them growing all the time.
No Indian denies that China is far far ahead in terms of economy...its the ROLE MODEL!!! (if you cared to read the article posted) But some of the points you mentioned as proof of China being so very better are really silly and childish at best. Grow up buddy...make some mature comments and dont just come here tto vent your anti-India frustrations

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yep..i would take it a step further, saying that the fact india is politically a democracy, ie people vote to elect representants…means a stable and strong power can’t exist in india..and that result in more chaos that in china:Dreason why india is less developped that china…
BUT more chaos means MORE FREEDOM by western standard! who would want to live in a country where you can’t move from one province to another without a sort of visa? who would want to live in a country where you’re no alloed to have more than a child, unless you can pay a fine equaling three years of basic salary:halo:…
chinese sacrifice freedom for economic power…
it’s a question of lifechoice…but neither european nor americans (and lots of people on gupshup live in those places:halo:) would accept to pay the chinese price for economic growth…
so we can’t blame indians to not follow chinese:hoonh:

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Democracy or any ruling system is just like clothes you wear. If you have a nice body underneath, clothing will make it look even nicer.

However if Bharati single puslee (weak industries) are clad in banarasi sari, or three piece suit, it would still be a maryal (deathly) single puslee.

It is time we quit raving and ranting about the clothing, and really see beneath the covers.

Chinese OTOH have thousands of years of experience making nice things (ever heard of Chines Silk?). In Bharat, Mughals had to outsource Taj Mahal and other grand buildings. The outsourcing contracts back then went to Turkish and Iranian companies.

So what if Chinese body has a "dictatorial clothing". The body underneath is a good one.

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This is such an amazing comparison....phew!! C'mon its fine that you think India and Indians have been and will always be pathetic vis-a-vis everything else but you dont have to give ridiculous egs like these...
So yes...Chinese are better at manufacturing...good for them...but you still think that the price they pay (read P'noor's post) is worth it?
Indians should make so much more noise about all the crap that they truly are...bloody liars... (they should ask their official PR agencies to make new ads on how they are worse than Sub-Saharan Africa and so on. They should curb all media reports on any little or big good thing that they may happen to do...)
(BTW, your knowledge of what India's heritage besides the Mughal based ones is abysmal - I guess its just not there...thats all that you seem to know of India...of course you do know of the pathetic religion and the caste system (possible for anyone on GS to be unaware of that???)

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Worth? Heck yes! They are sitting on tones of $$$. You visit their big cities and see the economic activity.

Economic activity must be #1.

Deomocracy, demo-crazy, dictatorship are all different types of clothing and still #2 priority for an "economically active" citizenry.

Off course democratic clothing is the most "fashionable". However for "bhookay maryal" Bharatis three piece suit is not gonna cut it.

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agreed, all we have to see whether like Japan they will be able to make transition from state controlled to private sector or they will go Russia way in long run.....:D

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Here is a frontline documentary - China In The red. Its about the economic reforms that have taken place in the last decade and how it has affected the peoples life in China. the site is restricting me to post URLs. So I have put spaces in between the letters. Or you could google **"frontline documentary China In The red" **and you should get the first item as this link.

h t t p : / / w w w . p b s . o r g / w g b h / p a g e s / f r o n tl i n e / s h o w s / r e d / v i e w /

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don't forget historically pakistan AND india...were one....so it means unfortuantey that your (nice, but too partial) comparison, is valid for both countries relatively to china:)
ps, IT and services are soaring cash sectors in india...nothing that you can qualify of "rusty"industries

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What a perfect example. You thought of everything I couldn't. Now, while you are at it, please tell me where I can find out how many people were killed in Tian'anmen Square? How many Chinese political diessenters are in prison? How many Muslims in Xian Jian are in jail, being executed, and forcefully displaced? How many Bhudists in Tibet are in prison? How many Tibeten people have been forcefully displaced to other parts of China? How many protests are being waged in the country side?

Here is a better one, recently a little girl was killed by the police in China in the country side. They were protesting their poverty and their inability to go find work. Has the cop who killed been prosecuted?

These kinds of question can only be answered in an open society where the leaders are held respinsible by the masses. Not in China. In India, a democracy, nothing is beyond scrutiny.

The same reason peasants are being killed in China, is the reason they have clean cities.

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Hmm.

what about the Reinhard Heydrich(the German Nazi who proposed the idea of final solution towards the Jews in Wannase, Germany in January 1942) of India, Mr. Modi, why is that guy still the chief minister of Gujrat?

He is the man who orchastrated, organized, gave support to the murder of thousands of muslims in gujrat and yet no prosecution has been placed towards him.

Its irrelevant that he had been re-elected. He is responsible for the deaths of thousands.

What a glowing sign of indian democracy. Sounds more like an Apartheid Democracy only for Hindus.

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The topic was Bharat vs. China. Why would you bring Pakistan into this?

Munshi (accounting and backoffice support) industries of Bharat are doing well no doubt. However they are no match with the Mistri (factory worker) industries of China. That's all.

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Mr. Mercenary2K,
Just because you said that Modi is responsible does not mean he should be procecuted. Unlike in China where there is no investigation and no one knows how many poor people are sent to jail and are killed every day just for raising their voices, in India there is always an investigation. I know everything is not perfect but atleast the path is the right one. If you take wrong path you will never reach the right destination, but if you take the right path then some day you are sure to reach the right destination.
It might be irrelivent that someone has been re-elected to a public office in Pakistan, but in India it is very much relevent.
In India even prime ministers and chief minister have to go to jail if proven guilty. But if there is no proof then even a common man cannot be touched by law. Modi would be sent to jail if he is found guilty, but until then no one can touch him.