The difference between Black and the White...

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…turbans in Shia’ism…

This was told to me by a fellow Shia’a Haaji in Masjid-un-Nabi, while we were sitting right in front of the Prophet :saw:'s house…

He told me much about the history of the pillars, how the house was designed, where the tree was which cried audibly after he stopped leaning against it…He told me what each inscription on each pillar meant, and how each differently designed pillars denoted subsequent expansions to meet the demands of a miraculously growing number of Muslims…

He told me about the pillars of Ayesha :razi: and Umar :razi…Where the Usmania Khilafat under the Turkish rule made the whole Masjid…Yes, it was the Turks who actually decorated the Masjid and made it so beautiful…Not the kings of today…

Anyways, he told me that the Black turbaned Imams are Syeds while the White turbaned ones are non-Syeds…

Now, how many Shia’a here knew that? :ahaa:

So, my question is, do we find some color coding of the turbans in the Quran or Sunnah, or the companions…Or even the Ahl-ul-Bait, may peace be with them…

This really struck me as very Catholical…Like the whole choosing of a Pope, the dioceses, the king like burial…Where’d it come from?

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does your "love of be-littling" find it's roots in the Koran? Do your feelings of superiority know no bounds?

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.........very catholical? in turban color??

huh?

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salamalykum,

all these differences were never there in islam,

infact i read in 1 hadith that once umar (ra) went to zaid ibn haris , on seeing umar (ra) zaid(ra) stood up from his chair and offered him a place to sit, no sooner umar (ra) saw this he stopped him form doing so and explained him that in this way he is doing injustice with other people, and though he is ameer he must be treated like other ordinary people,

from this story we learns that OMAR (RA) always thought equality among the people, means no one is higher and no is lowr, no inferiors no superiors,

all such divisions are from other relegions which has sects like BRAHMANS / DALITS/ CATHOLIC/ PROTESTANTS / KUMAR/ SHARMA ETC......

we are muslims and allah never said in quran or pbuh never ever said in hadith that therea re sections in islam and if some one is from someother sect he must be treated inferiorly,

infact if we see life of pbuh and sahabs we learns that we must treat people as per his TAQWA,

THE MORE RELEGIOUS PEOPLE, THE MORE RESPECT,

SALAM.

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yes thats pretty much common knowledge. Black turbans signify syeds, white turbans signify non seyeds. its considered more customary than must an is really a non issue.

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What’s a syed? I thought it just meant a knowledgeable scholar. :konfused:

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The ink is black, the page is white
Together we learn to read and write
A child is black, a child is white
The whole world looks upon the sight, a beautiful sight

And now a child can understand
That this is the law of all the land, all the land

The world is black, the world is white
It turns by day and then by night
A child is black, a child is white
Together they grow to see the light, to see the light

And now at last we plainly see
We'll have a dance of Liberty, Liberty!

The world is black, the world is white
It turns by day and then by night
A child is black, a child is white
The whole world looks upon the sight, a beautiful sight

The world is black, the world is white
It turns by day and then by night
A child is black, a child is white
Together they grow to see the light, to see the light

The world is black, the world is white
It turns by day and then by night
A child is black, a child is white
The whole world looks upon the sight, a beautiful sight

The world is black, the world is white
It turns by day and then by night
A child is black, a child is white
Together they grow to see the light, to see the light

C'mon, get it, get it
Ohh-ohhhh, yeah, yeah
Keep it up now, around the world
Little boys and little girls
Yeah, yeah-eah, oh-ohhh

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It is a title used by those who claim to be father to son descendants of Ali the fourth caliph and Fatima-the Prophet p’s daughter.

Just my personal opinion, but it would be fascinating to see with the help of y chromosome analysis, if all these Syeds in the world really have the same male ancestor. Kindda tell who is faking it lol. On a more serious side, such a study may also help resolve the mystery of the prophet’s own genetic identity, whether he was from Alay Imran or descendant of Prophet Ismail. Y chromosome studies among Jews who claim to belong to the Alay Imran have been found to carry a unique genetic marker that differentiates them from the common lay Jew. It is sometimes also called the Moses marker. From Islamic history, we know that Ali and the Prophet p had the same paternal grandfather. Hence, it would be reasonable to conclude that father to son descendants of Ali would carry y chromosome genetic markers that will reflect on the y chromosome genetic identity of the Prophet p.

regards,

bob

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Dear Bob,

Interesting idea.

But then again...

Aren't we all descendents of Adam and Eve ? :)

I have a book laying around the house somewhere called The Search For Eve.

The book suggests that modern humans originated in Africa and that myochondrial DNA testing can proof that theory.

Of course the book is all very complicated...I need to re-read it. Is interesting book though.

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I think that’s a great idea…

Try this link, where National Geographic did a genetic survey on Phoenicians…

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature2/

^♥^ Happy Birthday Khummmmmar ^♥^ (merged)
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From what I know, mitochondrial dna is inherited thru the mother. However, Syeds are suppose to be father to son descendants of Ali. Therefore, all Syeds would claim to share y chromosome identity from their male ancestor, Ali, but not the same mtdna.

http://www.le.ac.uk/genetics/maj4/project.html

By the way, Y chromsomes dont have anything to do with genetic traits, such as predicting diseases etc.

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says who?

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thanks for the lajawab link lajawab

regards,

bob

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There is a hedit ... i am not sure of wording ... but here it is

'Prophet said that i have nothing to do with person who creates sects in Islam'

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Yes you are right. Now see my thread about sects

Click here to see my thread about sects

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In Surah YA-SEEN chapter number 36 verse number 60
""Did I not enjoin on you, O ye Children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed?- "

.In Surah HUD chapter number 11 verse number 42
"So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!" "

.In Surah HUD chapter number 11 verse number 43
"The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood. "

.In Surah HUD chapter number 11 verse number 45
"And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!" "

.In Surah HUD chapter number 11 verse number 46
"He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!" "

13.In Surah HUD chapter number 11 verse number 47
"Noah said: "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!" "

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So you can see that to be a member of prophet's family is not worthy as to be a believer. So if a Syed is non-muslim. should he go to Jannah?**

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Women manage quite well without it.

http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html

Most of the Y-Chromosome is inherited as an integral unit passed without alteration from father to sons, and to their sons, and so on, unaffected by exchange or any other influence of the X-Chromosome that came from the mother. It is the only nuclear chromosome that escapes the continual reshuffling of parental genes during the process of sex cell production.

regards,

bob

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Anyways, he told me that the Black turbaned Imams are Syeds while the White turbaned ones are non-Syeds.."

may be he meant the black and white people and not color of turban? ...just a possibility

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dont you wish.

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what you posted means genes dont cross over on the Y chromosome frequently during gamete formation (meiosis). nowhere does it say that the Y chromosome has nothing to do with predicting genetic traits.

yes, women manage without it, and that is because women are different from men genetically. the Y chromosome has genes that dictate some of the traits that come with being a man.