duh! i dun know what the context is. i dun even know what the source of the quote is. and watcher doesnt seem to know anything about it either. that's the problem with these cut-n-paste gurus.
Am I a cut-n-paste guru?
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
The problem is that you don’t even know your own scriptures, and you put the blaime on cut&paste.
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partypooper,
not you mate.
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Watcher,
yup, i dunno my scriptures.
but since you do, why dun you give us the juice? why keep it a big secret? c’mon, just 2 lines on that “scripture” of yours.
Watcher, do you mind if I ask you for the source too?
Please!
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They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?
the most ancient Hindu sacred literature, explaining the significance of the Vedas as used in the ritual sacrifices and the symbolic import of the priests’ actions.
Satapatha Brahmana (or 100 “paths”), consisting of 100 lessons, belongs to the White Yajurveda. Ranking next to the Rigveda in importance, this Brahmana survives in two slightly differing versions, the Kanva and the Madhyamdina. Elements more closely connected with domestic ritual are introduced here.
I hope this helps.
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Dear GFQ
I had a look at the above link. I found the contents very interesting. It is quite possible that the prophet Mohammed was the Kalki Avtar after all and we hindus should recognise this fact.
I think all the hindus should pay attention to these pundits and adopt Mohammed as one of their avtars of God.
I’m sure, they will start placing statues of Mohammed alongside the statues of the other avtars like Rama, Krishna, Hanuman, Ganesha, Shiva, Budha, and many others.
After believing these pundits, I suppose many hindus will sing to the statues of Mohammed in temples
‘Jai Jai Mohammed’
‘Harey Harey Mohammed’
Interesting quandary -
Can Muslims destroy idols in the shape of Muhammed? What if they have Quranic quotes painted on them?
Also, there are four Vedas (Rig, Sama, Yajur, and Atharva). They go through the following evolutionary periods:
Samhitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, and Upanishads.
The Samhitas are the classic Vedas - containing the basis for Vedic Hinduism. It is the final two sets - the Aranyakas and the Upanishads that show metaphysical Hinduism, where "All is One - Atman is Brahman".
The Aranyakas are "forest wisdom" - literally expounded and repeated by those sages who retired to the forests for meditation. The Upanishads are the pinnacles of these findings - descriptions of how the various sages sought to tell the "Truth" to their disciples.
It is the final two that describe truly are amazing in their insights into the relationship of Self and God.
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I hope this helps.
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not much. are you saying the shatpada brahmana (thatz the way it shud be, i think), is a part of the yajurveda? and you havent yet explained the context of the quote you lifted from it. can we have it now please?
Idols are idols are idols are idols. No matter what and they are not permitted in islam,-----btw sanjhabanda, by recognition of that fact would entail the acceptance of islam, NOT idol worship
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… Muhammad sallallaho alaihe wassalaam was a prophet of Islam…of Islam. There it is in bold rueful smile in case u didn’t know
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La hawla wala quwata illah billahil aleeyul azeem.
weather environmental factors also influences
how religens are originated.
hindu religen originated in a lush green forests so they are more nature oriented
mideast religen are originated in treeles deserts.
so naturally you will see the differences
of eastern and western religens.
Dear GFQ
Just in case you did’nt know, the traditional way of hindu daily worship is that in most hindu houses we have one room reserved as a temple where we have ‘moortis’ (pictures or statuets) of differant ‘Avtars’, such as ‘Bhagwan Shiva’, ‘Bhagwan Rama’, ‘Bhagwan Krishna’, ‘Bhagwan Hanuman’ ‘Bhagwan Ganesha’, offcourse not forgetting ‘Durga Mata’, ‘Laxmi Mata’, ‘Saraswati Mata’ or ‘Kali Mata’ and ‘Gaoo Mata’.
However there are many hindu families in the east India and south India, where ‘Bhagwan Budha’ (founder of Budhism), ‘Bhagwan Mahavir’ (founder of Jainism), ‘Bhagwan Sai Baba’ (The living God) are also considered the ‘Avtars’ of ‘Vishnu’ and their ‘moortis’ are also worshipped alongside the other ‘Avtars’ with same dedication.
Some hindu households down south with christian influance will even have a ‘moorti’ of ‘Jesus Christ’ and worship it alongside the other ‘Avtars’, because they believe that ‘Jesus Christ’ was also an ‘Avtar’ of ‘Vishnu’.
In most of the Sindhi and Panjabi hindu families ‘Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji’(founder of Sikh faith) is also considered to be an ‘Avtar’ of ‘Vishnu’, therefore you will often find a picture of ‘Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji’ alongside ‘Bhagwan Shivji’ or ‘Bhagwan Ganesh’ or ‘Bhagwan Krishna’ and worshipped with same dedication.
When it comes to worship, we hindus are very flexible, If we can be convinced about anybody being an ‘Avtar’ of ‘The God Vishnu’, we will have no hesitation to have the ‘moorti’ of that ‘Avtar’ in our household’s little temple and worship in the same way as we worship our all the other ‘Avtars’.
After reading your message of May 12, 2000 on gup shupp, to which I was pointed towards, thankfully by you, I’m now 100% convinced that ‘Hazrat Mohammed Saheb’ must have been the predicted ‘Avtar Kalki’. According to the hindu belief, all the ‘Avtars’ are the ‘reincarnations’ of ‘The God Vishnu’ and we respect and worship them all with equal dedication in our temples.
I’m very grateful to you for providing the information. You have done a great service to the followers of the hindu religion. Yes, the appearance of the ‘Kalki Avtar’ is often talked about in the hindu circles.
Well, now we have all the evidence to prove that ‘Hazrat Mohammed Saheb’ was the actual ‘Kalki Avtar’, so we hindus have to give the same respect and importance to ‘Hazrat Mohammed Saheb’ by having his ‘moorti’ alongside all the other ‘Avtars’ for worship in our temples.
Sanjha Banda
Sat Sri Akal
I whole heartedly agree with you that if it has been proven by scholars that Hazrat Mohammed was the Kalki Avtar, ie a reincarnation of Lord Vishnu then you have every right to have his MOORTI in your temple and can't see any reason why you can not worship him same as you worship all the other Avtars of Lord Vishnu. If it was predicted in the hindu vedas about the appearance of this Avtar then IMHO he belongs to hindus first and to muslims afterwards.
The only problem you may find though is that there are'nt many pictures of Hazrat Mohammed available for you to be able to have an idea about his looks.
I do know for sure that you can find a picture of Hazrat Mohammed in the Encyclopedia Britanica, from which you can get a fair idea of what he looked like, for you to be able to have his MOORTI made.
There is no picture of Prophet Mohammad in ANY BOOK in the world. If there is his face is blacken out.
I don’t see any logic behind making something out of clay by your self and than worshiping it and giving it attributes of a god. Its just stupid. How can the “CREATED” become a CREATOR?
Besides, the gods that hindus consider gods were nothing but heros and fantasies. Jawal nehru said it.
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** There is no picture of Prophet Mohammad in ANY BOOK in the world. If there is his face is blacken out. **
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hmmm, and Muslims should follow the prophet's example, right?
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** How can the "CREATED" become a CREATOR? **
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"Frankenstein" by Mary Shelley covered that one pretty well.
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** Besides, the gods that hindus consider gods were nothing but heros and fantasies. **
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Yep. Muhammed is nobody's hero.
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We don’t consider Mohammad(a human like us) a God. But you do consider Rama etc. a god, but he was human(it is true, he was a fanstasy or hero of some sort. You had these vilan gods on one side and no-so bad gods on other side. One god rapes the wife of no-so bad god and than he take revenge and whole pathetic process reoccurs in indian movies.
You behaviour towards Islam shows that clearly you have limited or no knowledge of Islam on basic beliefs, but you cannot stop your self from saying non-sense about it. But when faced with truth about your own religion you try to become innocent and all worthy of respect. Give me a break!!!
Learn something about Islam and than question it. You guys write something which has no basis in quran or hadiths, when asked about references you do not provide. You should be ashamed of your self.
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We don't consider Mohammad(a human like us) a God. But you do consider Rama etc. a god, but he was human.<<
as mentioned warlier in hinduism the universe is god. Everytthing int he universe is a manifestation or god, therefore we respect everthing..Even when we look deep into our souls we see that we are a not much different from the supreme soul, we are a reflection of god.Our aim in life is to realsie this.
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Also would like to add a pint.
Hinduism is aobut being a good person, exapaning your own knowledge at various different levels. You achieve your aims through many different paths, which may at first conflict.The vedas and hindu scripture mention all these paths which include the concept of the worship of many gods or god.
Buddha didnt even mention that the existance of god in his philosohpy, and concentrated on improving his own self. The worship of gods i believe steered indian society of the time away from self-development.
To me it does not matter weather Rama was a god or that he even existed at all.For me i must learn basic morals from his story and books such as the gita.
Watcher
I have the 15th edition of the encyclopaedia britanica, if you open up the page 259 of the volume 2 you will find there
Mohammed returning the black stone of Mecca to the Ka’bah, manuscript ilustration from the Jami 'at-twarikh, by Rashid ad-din. The illustration is now in the University of Edinburgh Library.
Even though it is only an illustration, I’m sure that it would be good enough for the hindus to have a MOORTI made of Mohammed the avtar of Lord Vishnu.
As far as worshipping the MOORTI of Mohammed is concerned, well if Mohammed has been proven to be the avtar of Lord Vishnu, then the hindus have every right to place his MOORTI in their temples and worship him, same as they worship the other avtars.
As Sanjha Banda says there are some hindu families who do pooja to the picture of Guru Nanak Dev in their temples believing that Guru ji was also an avtar of Lord Vishnu, we Sikhs can not stop them worshipping to Baba Nanak’s picture even though Baba Nanak had forbidden idol worship..