The concept of being Stoned to Death

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Anybody who supports the idea of stoning someone to death is not only a sick muslim but also a sick human being..........regardless of what is written in Quran or HAdith or whatever..........Being a Hindu, if I was one of the crowd witnessing some one kicking a girl at her groin area or for that matter anywhere, I would have ****ed, that A-hole then and there. I would have least cared what would have happened to me after that but atleast I would been able to see myself with complete respect if the mob would have left me alive (which I doubt)

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or Ahmadi?

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Hahaha, because you cant justify through Quran, you use Hadice to cover your morbid point of view.

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Do you have something against Ahmadis Miss Hareem, Miss respected and honored?

what I wantedt to say...It was not ordained by God. Somewhere in the Qur'an
it's mentioned that if males or females commit adultery, both deserve the same punishment. It's written, that both should be locked up in a room until Allah and think about what they've done.

The West is civilized. They are living the modern Islam (even if they don't know) because they can decide if they want to punish > leave the partner or forgive > give another chance...

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Very well said. That is usage of sense/logic. Islam should be SIMPLIFIED.
Quran is and will always be number one as guide line. And I wonder, why these people invented their own verdict mentioned in Hadice, how it should be dealt with, when there is in Quran an exact verdict described?
It is not playing God? Or is it the weakness of human beings after having power in their hands?

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Let me answer that, since you wont get a PROPER answer from Hareem01 whom quotes left right and in center by taking it out of context and then blaming others.....

She lives in UK and thinks Shia, Ismaili, Ahmadis and any other sect than wahabis/ahle Hadice to be Kafir....or just none-Muslims. Living in a western country but to be so racist and condeming is really an eye opener.

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Only one thing.........Not against Ahamadis but against Ahmadiyat.....It dilutes the message of Islam.

Which ayah is this?

I don't support any Muslim.................I don't support any non-Muslim..................................I only support Truth.

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You nailed it !!!

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What does it have to do with race? :D

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Rajm in Islam.

On this issue, th e modernist munaafiqeen *are tacitly proclaiming that Allah Azza Wa Jal and Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) have commanded an act of barbarism — *Nauthubillaah!

The pleasure of the kuffaar cannot be attained without submission to kufr. Thus the Qur'aan Majeed warning the Mu'mineen, states :

**“Never will the Yahood and Nasaaraa be pleased with you as long as you do not follow their cult.” **

The claim thatt *Rajm *is not an Islamic injunction is kufr which expels such a believer from the fold of Islam.

*(1 ) *Hadhrat Umar Ibn Khattaab (radhiyallahu anhu) said:

*“Verily, Allah Ta'ala sent Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) with the Haqq (Truth), and He revealed the K itaab (Qur'aan) to him. Among the (aayaat) which Alla h had revealed to him was the aayat of Rajm. I recited it, understood it and memorized it. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) executed Rajm, and we (the Sahaabah) after him executed Rajm. I fear that due to the long dur a- tion of time on people they may say: ‘We do not find Rajm in the Kitaab of Allah.' Thus, they will go astray by aba n- doning an injunction which Allah Ta'ala had revealed *
*(Know) that Rajm is incumbent on the one who commits zina when he or she is (of the quality of) Ihsaan (i.e. married), when evid ence has been established or there is pregnancy or confession.” (Bukhaari and Mu s lim) *

(2) Hadhrat Ibnus Saamit (radhiyallahu anhu) — a Sahaabi —*narrated: “Verily, the Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said : *

‘Take from me! Take from me! Verily Allah has made a way for them (adulteresses) — (The punishment) for an unmarried p e r- son with an unmarried person is 100 lashes and banishment of one year; for married persons it is 100 lashes and Rajm.”*(Muslim and Abu Daawood) *

(3) “Sha'bi narrated that on the occasion when Ali Ibn Taali b *(radhiyallahu anhu) executed Rajm on a woman on the Day of Jumuah, he said: ‘I applied Rajm on her by the Sunnat of Ras u- lullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam).” (Bukhaari) *

(4 ) “Jaabir Bin Abdullah Ansaari (radhiyallahu anhu) na r- rated that a man from (the tribe of) Aslam came to Rasulullah *(sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and said that he had committed zina. He testified against himself four times. Then Rasulullah *(sallallahu alayhi wasallam) ordered that he be stoned. Rajm was then inflicted on him. He was a married pe r- son.” (Bukhaari)

  • All Authorities report that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) had commanded the infliction of Rajm *. The Sahaabah had inflicte d *Rajm *during the lifetime of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), and the Khulafa - e - Raashideen had done the same during their respective khilaafats.

*A l - Mughni *of Ibn Qudaamah, the Hambali authority:

“The compulsion of *Rajm *for a married adulterer and adulteress is the view of all the People of Ilm among the Sahaabah, the Taabieen and those Ulama who followed after them in all the lands (of Islam). We do not know of any opposing view except that of the Khawaarij.

As for us (the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah ) *R a j m *is proven on the authority of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) by way of his statement and his practice in such narrations which rese m- bl e *Mutawaatar . *There is consensus of the Ashaab (Sahaabah) of Rsulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) on *Rajm. *Verily, Allah Ta' ala had revealed it ( *Rajm *) in His Kitaab. However, only its written text has been abrogated, not it s *huk m *(effectiveness as law). ”

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Br., why don't you read the Quranic ayat I quoted. It puts all claims to rest. It does not get in clearer or in black and white than that.

Let me ask you this question and every muslim on this thread:

If the punishment for a crime is described in the Quran and a punishment for the same crime is also described in hadith, which one will you follow?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had two things in my mind that I've heard:

  1. That capital punishment - only to be delivered by the state - is to be hanging. Since hanging involves less pain, and its faster than stoning or other methods. Obviously at that time, they didn't have injections, so I'm betting one should go with injections since the underlying concept is the same: capital punishment should be swift and painless.

  2. That stoning was used as a punishment for these crimes, like for many crimes, based upon Jewish tradition. Until a verse was revealed that said otherwise. From my understanding, the Quranic verse recommends flogging, and doesn't mention stoning. Therefore, the correct punishment would be flogging, but many countries still use stoning.

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i have never heard about the first one so wondering..........

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Yes but then why did Sahaba continued the practise of rajm if this is as clear as black and white? We got the transcripts of Quran e Pak from similar sahabas so if hadiths is proved with tawater you can’t take one and ignore the other? :konfused:

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That where the problem is. You guys take an account of history and think its true. Did it ever occur to anyone that the account of history might not reflect true history?

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Perhaps but if the account comes from the similar sahabis that transfered to us Quran than we need solid reason to refute the history according to similar sahabis.

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That would imply that Prophet s.a.w, Khulfa-e-Rashideen, and all the Sahabas acted against the Quran, and they couldnt understand an ayat of the Quran and after 1400 years have understood the ayat in its context? There are so many Saheeh ahadees of Prophet s.a.w, and many incidents where Prophet s.a.w inflicted rajam, so did Khulfa e Rashideen and their actions are enough for us, since we cant even think they acted contrary to the Quran. This is also the view of all the early scholars, and of the 4 Imams.

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Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) came to abrogate all previous Shariahs and Laws and impose only the Final Shariah of Allah Ta'al a — Islam. He did not govern by the earlier Shariahs. Th ere are many issues on which there is the agreement of this Final Shariah with the Shariah of the Tauraah, since both were revealed Laws of Allah Ta'ala. There is absolutely no substantiation for the claim that th e *Rajm *which Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasasallam) ordered was on thebasis of the Tauraah does not apply to Muslims. Any such suggestion is debunked by the example of Rasulullah s.a.w, the Sahaabah and the *Ijma ' *of the Ummah.

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Are you talking about the aayat in Surah Noor that orders 100 lashes for zina?
Then the punishment of 100 lashes is the *Hadd *for unmarried adulterers. This is the unanimous Ruling of the entire Ummah from the very beginning of Islam, there being no difference of opinion on this issue . So this is not even relevent, while Rajm is proven from Mutawatir ahdees, actions of the Sahabas and early Imams.

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Maulana Maudoodi have written an excellent discussion of more than 30 pages full fledge in small fonts...describing A to Z of all schools of thought and ahadees and historical events in his legendary Tafheemul Quran....and shown that throughout in 1400 years....its unanimously agreed by all ummah ...