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actually, if you look at that CNN link, it says that the girl belonged to yazidi religion(which i never heard) who fell in love with a sunni boy!
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but ofcourse whoever does it, it is despicable
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this is realy barberic. islam only permits us to rajm married couple who have committed zinna.
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If it takes a non Muslim to inform you that stoning is not ordained in the Quran then maybe you should give a damn.
Semi i appreciate the concern but as i said i don't intend to learn my religion from some one who doesn't believe in it. Something about that is unsettling.
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My problem is stoning to death someone who committed adultery.
If they are a murderer or a rapist, then I got no problem with that.
But adultery, come on, they dont deserve to die......
Hypothetically speaking even if it was proven to you that indeed Stoning is an islamic punishment you'd consider it unreasonable or unnfair?
Secondly from what you have stated i deduce that to you zina is not as repugnant sin as murder and rape?
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My problem is stoning to death someone who committed adultery.
If they are a murderer or a rapist, then I got no problem with that.
But adultery, come on, they dont deserve to die......
even those who are married and commit adultry? US resident's point is valid that death is only for those who are married and commit this sin , for unmarried it is 100 lashes ...do u think these lashes are also barbaric?
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*okay but atleast learn enough to differentiate between whats part of the book and whats part of barbaric culture…
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even those who are married and commit adultry? US resident's point is valid that death is only for those who are married and commit this sin , for unmarried it is 100 lashes ...do u think these lashes are also barbaric?
Actually bro, I refuted my own claim. I even presented the verse from the Quran which covers both the cases of adultery and fornication. In both cases according to the Quran it is flogging. Stoning is only found in ahadith but not in the Quran. Since the punishment is mentioned in the Quran the ahadith do not stand any ground. However knowing the ahadith are in the Sahih collections, the only reconcilation I could figure out is that the practice of stoning was continued as it was already prevelant in the Arabian and Jewish societies it was practiced even by muslims and that is what is related in the ahadith however the Quranic verse must have abrogated it later on otherwise the ahadith clearly conflict with the Quranic verse that dsecribes the punishment for adultery and fornication. Married or unmarried, they are both flogged.
And for what we saw in the video is not punishment even by anyones belief, it is mob violence and humiliation. This is not how punishments are given.
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^ this is new to me bro I always thought otherwise would like to know more , infact If I remember correctly there are some examples from the lives of righteous caliphs where they stoned people for fornication.I do agree that the video shown was a lynching more than a punishment but that does not mean the legitimate punisments are also termed barbaric and abolished ...to some people even 100 lashes is very barbaric
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Anyone that feels stoning a seventeen year old girl for falling in love with a guy who happened to take birth in a family of another faith - killing her, with stones - may be right, just because it's ordinance - you scare me.
honour killings are not just a part of a particular faith; they happen whenever or wherever those who attach little value to human lives get together. it's a shame because - No one has the right to take the life of another - certainly not for falling in love. certainly not for something that pricks at your sense of morality.
things such as this would infact make one question about the existence of God.
as for this 'punishment' acting as a deterrent; it's sad really if you need something as inhuman as this to deter you from committing any act you may feel is immoral.
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; it's sad really if you need something as inhuman as this to deter you from committing any act you may feel is immoral.
What's insane is anyone would actually go along with their "feelings" in face of such deterrence...she was lynched and had no idea what her fate would have been if she would have been caught. I don't think the mob did this out of any sense of justice or ritual deterrence. It was simply rage and they took it out in the most primal way.
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^ Ok I got the latter part of your post, but the first sentence? please correct me if Im wrong, but do you mean to say that she should not have gone along with her feelings, knowing about the punishment? by that you mean that this, in a sense, is an effective and correct form of deterrence?
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If she had known the end result of her actions, then she would be crazy to risk her life for any guy...
Sure, it gives a bit of legitimacy to a brutal response...but if it is what it is, and if it is predictable...no notion of romance should supersede the survival instinct.
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^ realistically speaking, maybe that would be the case; but that is when these kind of degenerates win; a win that actually means nothing; cos like you said it's not out of a sense of justice that they commit such acts. just a way to exercise the right to take lives they feel they hold.
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What a waste of life for a girl, imagine stoned to death for falling in love that disgusting.
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Stoning wasn't ordained by God. It is part of tradition and hadith. This interpration will surely change as man becomes more civilized.
So well said! This form of tribal "self justice" is their way to save face, but so out of place in 21th century. Its a reality taking place in our countries..even now.
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^ this is new to me bro I always thought otherwise would like to know more , infact If I remember correctly there are some examples from the lives of righteous caliphs where they stoned people for fornication.I do agree that the video shown was a lynching more than a punishment but that does not mean the legitimate punisments are also termed barbaric and abolished ...to some people even 100 lashes is very barbaric
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Br. here is the verse:
24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
The emboldened part mentions both adultery and fornication are to be lashed. Actually I was just as agape as you when I re-read the verse.
To me Quran supercedes any hadith account or historical action of the Caliphs. If it is something not mentioned in the Quran I can accept an alternative argument but this is not the case here. I will confirm in the Arabic though since this is an English translation.
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Stoning to death is totally unislamic.
There's not a single verse in Quran regarding that. This is a total barabaric act!
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Are you Pervezi, anti-Hadees?
This is not the view of Ahl Sunnah wal Jamat.