No it is not. I am not commenting on the incident at hand, however, you do not and cannot challenge the law laid down by Allah. You are only committing a sin by saying such words. Stoning to death as prescribed by Islam for adultery is the punishment...it is what it is...a punishment to act as a deterrent.
Personally I dont care if someone has sex with someone else and the entire town is watching this happen
Why should adultery be a crime ?
And who are we to stone some one to death.....
This is barbaric and mob rule and is totally wrong and has NOTHING to do with Islam.
This is a savage and barbaric pre-Islamc Arab culture which got intermingled with Islam.
And for anyone dumb enough to give credence to this heinous act is truly pathetic
First of all, the whole 'stoning to death' thing is for a couple where a married woman commits an adultery with a man (obviously not her husband). However, there should be witnesses, and not just witness, who have seen them committing the act. Just because a girl fell in love with a guy doesn't establishe the grounds to punish her at all.
Generally speaking, it is just a stricter form of punishment to prevent the ummah from living like sex animals... the stricter the punishment, the lower would be chances for the crime to happen (provided the final verdict and punishment is ordered by government and not by their families out of rage or whatever)
That's what I always thought, stoning for ZINA was allowed because in order for someoen to be punished for ZINA, there had to be FOUR credible witnesses who have to prove that they are honorable citizens. NOT for falling in love with someone or for having dirty lies spread about a girl who rejected a guy
The issue isn't that stoning is barbaric but rather people need to respect the religion. As far as we know, the group who commit this crime is not even Muslim and yet why is Islam taking such heat?? Yes it's absolutely sad and disgusting what happened to her but this group of ppl were NOT followers of Islam whatsoever.
Personally I dont care if someone has sex with someone else and the entire town is watching this happen
Why should adultery be a crime ?
And who are we to stone some one to death.....
This is barbaric and mob rule and is totally wrong and has NOTHING to do with Islam.
This is a savage and barbaric pre-Islamc Arab culture which got intermingled with Islam.
And for anyone dumb enough to give credence to this heinous act is truly pathetic
Why shouldn't adultery be a crime?
Who are you to say what should be a crime and not a crime, when it's already been stated by Allah swt?
Mob rule/vigilante justice has no place; however, there is no true Islamic state that such practices can be carried out in the manner in which they were intended. So, what this group did IS wrong, but it's equally wrong of you to insist that Islam is flawed, and decide to hold up Western culture (that adultery should be condoned) to the standard by which everyone should behave.
Anyone who hates their own people so much to constantly insult a religion because of what a NON-MUSLIM group did is truly pathetic.
You are giving Quranic references for punishments that are not in the Quran. How could someone repent while being stoned to death? In between throws they are going to have time to become closer to God? Maybe that's why this type of cruel execution is not sanctioned in the Quran, it doesn't give the sinner the time to repent.
thats the point, if you notice, in the bottom lines i said that punishing an adulterer by 'stoning to death' is not mentioned in Quran (as far as my knowledge and research goes). It is hundred flogs. And after being whipped X 100, one sure does get time for repentance.:)
Who are you to say what should be a crime and not a crime, when it's already been stated by Allah swt?
Mob rule/vigilante justice has no place; however, there is no true Islamic state that such practices can be carried out in the manner in which they were intended. So, what this group did IS wrong, but it's equally wrong of you to insist that Islam is flawed, and decide to hold up Western culture (that adultery should be condoned) to the standard by which everyone should behave.
Anyone who hates their own people so much to constantly insult a religion because of what a NON-MUSLIM group did is truly pathetic.
Give me reasons as to why it should be a crime ?
I didn't say its not Haram. Of course its wrong and Haram but who are we to dispense punishment. Allah will dispense punishment on the day of judgment.
And when did I say that Islam is flawed. Islam is perfect but when people incorporate their own tribal BS into Islam then it is no longer Islam but a flawed offshoot.
And by the way, keep personal insults to a minimum. :)
There are no other words in this world that I LOVE = "Tribal BS" those words really hit it hard....
Give me reasons as to why it should be a crime ?
I didn't say its not Haram. Of course its wrong and Haram but who are we to dispense punishment. Allah will dispense punishment on the day of judgment.
And when did I say that Islam is flawed. Islam is perfect but when people incorporate their own tribal BS into Islam then it is no longer Islam but a flawed offshoot.
And by the way, keep personal insults to a minimum. :)
I didn't say its not Haram. Of course its wrong and Haram but who are we to dispense punishment. Allah will dispense punishment on the day of judgment.
And when did I say that Islam is flawed. Islam is perfect but when people incorporate their own tribal BS into Islam then it is no longer Islam but a flawed offshoot.
And by the way, keep personal insults to a minimum. :)
This VIdeo or this post of yours has nothing to do with Islam or any other religion then why posted in religion forum?
thats the point, if you notice, in the bottom lines i said that punishing an adulterer by 'stoning to death' is not mentioned in Quran (as far as my knowledge and research goes). It is hundred flogs. And after being whipped X 100, one sure does get time for repentance.:)
Kapish????:)
Then you agree why I questioned how someone can refer to stoning as "it's better to be punished in this world for it then the next." If you don't have time to repent while dodging rocks, you will not gain favor with God before you die.
This VIdeo or this post of yours has nothing to do with Islam or any other religion then why posted in religion forum?
thats because muslims have stoned people to death and this is just showing how brutal it is and I disagree with the concept especially in cases of adultery
if they are stoning a murderer or a rapist, then its ok I guess...but adultery, I disagree
thats because muslims have stoned people to death and this is just showing how brutal it is and I disagree with the concept especially in cases of adultery
if they are stoning a murderer or a rapist, then its ok I guess...but adultery, I disagree
I am surprised that people have time for things like these in Iraq.
I pretty much agree with Kaleem. Still am standing by earlier remark. As for people who think it was applicable only at that time, i have only one question ever bothered to read Quran? Or like being pseudo mullah on net for the heck of it?
Big problems of muslims is that they have forgotten how to submit. As for non muslims, you are entitled to your opinion and frankly i dont give a dam what you think. so cheers.
Then you agree why I questioned how someone can refer to stoning as "it's better to be punished in this world for it then the next." If you don't have time to repent while dodging rocks, you will not gain favor with God before you die.
Semi, no one said that you have to repent during intervals of punishment.
And if you read the thread, I already refuted even my own post after revising some relevant information. I have even posted the Quranic verse that deals with adultery and fornication. Stop acting ignorant when you know the information is already in the thread.
As for repentance, yes better to do it in this world rather than leave it to be settled in the next world (and this is not in the context of stoning). Muslims believe this. Its like good behavior in jail can reduce your sentence otherwise you have to go the whole way.
Everyone here is the verse again. Also for those muslims who think it is not a crime for which a punishment has been ordained by Allah SWT. Do you want to deny the Quran now? Well Merc2k.
Here is the verse btw:
24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
^^ wth r u talking about girl? stoning to death is just WRONG.. specially for 'crimes' like being in love with a guy from another religion. i** dont care if you show me some hadith that** supports this method.. its messed up and totally from the dark ages... shud b condemned and banned today.. in any case its obviously not only an islamic ritual since these yezidis are doing it too..
yea well your mind is made up so why bother proving whether its islamic or not to you. Since you are not a muslim it doesnt surprise or bother me what you think of punishment.
M2K still goes around saying he is a muslim and then he criticises islamic laws and that i hope if is borne of ignorance then may Allah forgive him and if born out of arrogance then i hope realizing it will atleast mellow his manner. The title of the thread is the concept of stoning to death. I am under the impression that M2K has a problem with the concept regardless if the person deserves it or not. That means his issue is not with the incident at hand rather the laws established by Allah. Certainly questions come to our minds and at times we wrestle with the faith. However i think if one believes in the religion one doesnot throw his hands up yelling UNfair every time he fails to understand anything. That is what FAITH is. That is why patience is a virtue.
I pretty much agree with Kaleem. Still am standing by earlier remark. As for people who think it was applicable only at that time, i have only one question ever bothered to read Quran? Or like being pseudo mullah on net for the heck of it?
Big problems of muslims is that they have forgotten how to submit. As for non muslims, you are entitled to your opinion and frankly i dont give a dam what you think. so cheers.
If it takes a non Muslim to inform you that stoning is not ordained in the Quran then maybe you should give a damn.
yea well your mind is made up so why bother proving whether its islamic or not to you. Since you are not a muslim it doesnt surprise or bother me what you think of punishment.
M2K still goes around saying he is a muslim and then he criticises islamic laws and that i hope if is borne of ignorance then may Allah forgive him and if born out of arrogance then i hope realizing it will atleast mellow his manner. The title of the thread is the concept of stoning to death. I am under the impression that M2K has a problem with the concept regardless if the person deserves it or not. That means his issue is not with the incident at hand rather the laws established by Allah. Certainly questions come to our minds and at times we wrestle with the faith. However i think if one believes in the religion one doesnot throw his hands up yelling UNfair every time he fails to understand anything. That is what FAITH is. That is why patience is a virtue.
My problem is stoning to death someone who committed adultery.
If they are a murderer or a rapist, then I got no problem with that.
But adultery, come on, they dont deserve to die......
Everyone here is the verse again. Also for those muslims who think it is not a crime for which a punishment has been ordained by Allah SWT. Do you want to deny the Quran now? Well Merc2k.
Nope, I never have. But again here the person is being whipped not being stoned to death.