Re: The Chief Justice and the well overdue emergency
suhaib, captain...
guys please stop getting into personal attacks.
thanks
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Those levelling baseless allegations against CJ Iftikhar Ahmed Ch., what do they have to say to this now? Is the dictator not committing the same crime?
http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/05/top4.htm](http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/05/top4.htm)
Dictator’s Government frees 25 militants in exchange for 213 hostages
TANK, Nov 4: The government on Sunday freed 25 militants in exchange for the release of 213 army personnel who were held hostage in South Waziristan for more than two months.
Military spokesperson Maj-Gen Waheed Arshad confirmed that 211 soldiers had been released and said that 25 militants who had been arrested under the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) were also freed. Some of the freed militants had been convicted by an anti-terrorism court.
“I can’t say anything about the physical condition of soldiers at this moment, but there will be a debriefing session and medical check-up of all the released soldiers,” he told Dawn by phone from Islamabad.
He said that 211 soldiers were released on Sunday while two had been freed on Saturday.
Sources said that militants had brought 213 soldiers to Tiarza Khula, a remote area in South Waziristan, and handed them over to tribal elders. The military authorities brought the 25 militants in two helicopters to the brigade headquarters in Zari Noor colony near Wana. They were later taken to Tiarza Khula for the swap.
The sources said that seven militants had been released from the central jail in Dera Ismail Khan and 18 had been brought from Islamabad.
Zulfiqar Mehsud, spokesman for Baitullah Mehsud, and his deputy Fakher Alam Mehsud handed over the soldiers to a jirga headed by former MNA Maulvi Mirajuddin.
Militants had on Aug 30 kidnapped 247 army personnel, including eight officers, in the Momi Karam area of South Waziristan. Later, 31 soldiers were released and three were shot dead. The sources said that militants had returned weapons, vehicles and communication equipment captured from the military personnel.
Mr Mirajuddin, who brokered the deal, said that issue had been resolved amicably and the two sides agreed to implement the Sararogha peace accord in letter and spirit.
Sources in Peshawar told Dawn that the NWFP government had also withdrawn seven terrorism cases pending before the anti-terrorism court in Dera Ismail Khan against some of the arrested militants.
Re: The Chief Justice and the well overdue emergency
Everyone that knows the current events, knows that this so called 'Emergency' was aimed at dulling the judiciary. How do they expect Judiciary not to interfere with the govt. when that is precisely why it's there to keep the other two branches in check. I was a huge supporter of Musharraf because when he first came to power, he had some very good ideas and sincerity, but overtime, somewhere along the road, he became not a leader but a politician. If he was so sure that he is the right leader for the country and he boasted whenever he could that he has done more the country that any previous leader, they why be fearful of what the court will decide? The hard truth is that he knew what was coming and he couldn't take the justice being served to him.
Fine, for a min. i'll go with the pro-emergency crowd, but why shut down TV stations? hiding something maybe? dont' want ppl to know ws gonna happen? I think sooo...!
If he wanted to take any action, he should have take the public into confidence, and not drop the bombshell on them without any prior warning/alert. Not only that, but the whole country is on the lockdown, that's just in-freakin-sane!
He even went as far as to say the media is inflaming terrorism? and how is that? c'mon now! Media shows what's present in the society, they don't make stuff up and add suga spice to the news to make it sell. He created the electronic freedom, when the media started doing its job, he couldn't stand it and just took it all down. So much for 'I gave the media freedom'...i guess he can't take that credit anymore.
Mr. President claims that because the court called the officers who were violent towards the lawyers and media, and punished them with a 2 week suspension. Mind you that action wasn't even in place yet, and musharraf claims such actions are demoralizing the police. What?!? They get to beat up on people. The blood is on their hands, and when they're told to take a chill, they're demoralized. Is it kids we're dealing with?....this is totally absurd. excuses excuses. I guess Chenney and company are rubbing off on him, hence him adopting such measures.
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Musharaf's end is near. this new stunt is last ditch effort to hold on to power. His backers in america are about to pull the plug on him because they realize how he has been fooling them with crying wolf. They have caught on to his game that without him Pakistan will go into Taliban's hand. Pakistan is not and will never be Afghnistan. Besides, they have a new best friend in BB. Musharaf will not see 2008 as a president of Pakistan.
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^i hope so. we all hope so.
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hardly anyone hear talks about development, all are interested in bringing democracy and bring the lotas back to pakistan, like i said before i gave a link to you, go and check the site out if you can read.
and where have i said that cj hasnt interfered in the projects, i am clearly pointing out in that post to you blind people that pakistan is developing,
but your blind hatred is just amazing,
again i repeat DNT MAKE UP THINGS JUST TO PROVE YOUR POINT
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cool it on the aggression guys, your only relevant points are usually expressed without referring to each other as idiots or toddlers.
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^totally agree.
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and where have i said that cj hasnt interfered in the projects, i am clearly pointing out in that post to you blind people that pakistan is developing,
but your blind hatred is just amazing,
again i repeat DNT MAKE UP THINGS JUST TO PROVE YOUR POINT
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if the projects were blocked then howcome you didn't mention that? You are just trying to pass things without information. For a second lets believe what you are saying now, can you provide information on what grounds did CJ (or ex-CJ) interfere or block these projects?
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if the projects were blocked then howcome you didn't mention that? You are just trying to pass things without information. For a second lets believe what you are saying now, can you provide information on what grounds did CJ (or ex-CJ) interfere or block these projects?
most of the projects were issued by the Army themselves
The CJ blocked them to stop the Army having even a bigger slice of the Pakistan Economy
Although I did support Musharraf
I no longer do
The reason is despite his economic and media successes, he has become stagnant. He has no clear vision on where he wants to take Pakistan. He by aligning himself with Benazir signals that he wants to cling to power and not let fresh people with fresh ideas come to the fold.
He needs to step down.
An interim Army backed government needs to come into place and elections should be held in a couple of months.
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most of the projects were issued by the Army themselves
The CJ blocked them to stop the Army having even a bigger slice of the Pakistan Economy
okay, that I didn't know, do you happen to have a news/article which shows that? Because I haven't seen/read about this. If it was done by army alone, then yes Supreme Court is right in stopping it, though was it through Suo Motu action or someone filed petition against such action?
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Although I did support Musharraf
I no longer do
The reason is despite his economic and media successes, he has become stagnant. He has no clear vision on where he wants to take Pakistan. He by aligning himself with Benazir signals that he wants to cling to power and not let fresh people with fresh ideas come to the fold.
He needs to step down.
An interim Army backed government needs to come into place and elections should be held in a couple of months.
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Glad to see you coming to the same conclusion.
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if the projects were blocked then howcome you didn't mention that? You are just trying to pass things without information. For a second lets believe what you are saying now, can you provide information on what grounds did CJ (or ex-CJ) interfere or block these projects?
i have hardly talked about developments here, like i said this forum is filled with people wanting to bring democracy and the lotas back and hardly anything else gets discussed here.
well someone said that the projects are by the military, well no there not, there all private projects.
well here is the list of projects blocked and the reasons.
limitless/nakheels $80 billion city at hawks bay: well the project is stop cos of the silly excuse of beach should not be privatized, dnt forget french beach is allready private and they dnt have an issue with that and this happens all over the world
Emaars $65 billion islands in karachi - this must have been the most stupid excuse ever, courts are saying that they will destory mangroves, but with the help of google earth you can see that emaars islands are completly different to the mangroves ones.
Road projects:
road widening projects of ferozpur and canal roads in lahore- well courts are saying that they will chop down to many trees, but when they did it previously they had nothing to say and let them do it without interfering, and the gov. has itself said that trees taken out will be re-planted. so whats the issue.
on ferozpur road the reason is unknown,
there is also ring road blocked and numerous other road projects
Lahore sports city- this was a mega $6.2 billion sports city made by baktar of uae and punjab gov., unfortunatly courts didnt let him go ahead with the project, cos villagers were being replaced and even thought gov. was given them full compensation, irony is that, this happens with all projects in pakistan and happens all over the world including uk and usa,
mabarak center, lahore - if you go to ssc, the director of the project is a poster there and he himself has said that court is giving problems on the project and asking them to submit designs again and again, even thought LDA has approved them over 10 times and they say nothing is wrong with it.
PC hotel expansion, 42 story tower in lahore, stoped by the court, cos they think people will go to the top and spy on gov. buildings, LOL how stupid.
will i can just go on on the list is huge, but just look at the silly excuses made by the courts, this has lost pakistan bilions and billions of dollars as well as millions and millions of jobs, these could have boomed the economy even more.
Re: The Thief Justice and the well overdue emergancy
That madman CJ released 61 terrorists who probably paid a part in the slaughter of hundreds of people in all the terrorist attacks in the last few months. Musharraf should have imposed Emergency much, much earlier and dealt with this vindictive C!
Actually, the two justices who released some of these terrorists and order the Lal Masjid to be re-opened have already taken oath under the new PCO.
Secondly, If you can't prove somebody to be a terrorist, then he is not a terrorist. Pakistan is a country, where you can be put on 14-day remand for stealing a egg and put into a jail forever and you are saying that hardened terrorists were freed. Come one! Be realistic!
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Actually, the two justices who released some of these terrorists and order the Lal Masjid to be re-opened have already taken oath under the new PCO.
Secondly, If you can't prove somebody to be a terrorist, then he is not a terrorist. Pakistan is a country, where you can be put on 14-day remand for stealing a egg and put into a jail forever and you are saying that hardened terrorists were freed. Come one! Be realistic!
i understand you letting go of a thief after not being proven one, but a terroist is a completly different thing, its hard to prove them, they are hardcore fanatics, letting them go will mean a few more explosions and alot more deaths, its better to keep them locked up for a while and give the gov. more time to investigate.
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i have hardly talked about developments here, like i said this forum is filled with people wanting to bring democracy and the lotas back and hardly anything else gets discussed here.
well someone said that the projects are by the military, well no there not, there all private projects. well here is the list of projects blocked and the reasons.
limitless/nakheels $80 billion city at hawks bay: well the project is stop cos of the silly excuse of beach should not be privatized, dnt forget french beach is allready private and they dnt have an issue with that and this happens all over the world
Emaars $65 billion islands in karachi - this must have been the most stupid excuse ever, courts are saying that they will destory mangroves, but with the help of google earth you can see that emaars islands are completly different to the mangroves ones.
Road projects: road widening projects of ferozpur and canal roads in lahore- well courts are saying that they will chop down to many trees, but when they did it previously they had nothing to say and let them do it without interfering, and the gov. has itself said that trees taken out will be re-planted. so whats the issue. on ferozpur road the reason is unknown, there is also ring road blocked and numerous other road projects
Lahore sports city- this was a mega $6.2 billion sports city made by baktar of uae and punjab gov., unfortunatly courts didnt let him go ahead with the project, cos villagers were being replaced and even thought gov. was given them full compensation, irony is that, this happens with all projects in pakistan and happens all over the world including uk and usa,
mabarak center, lahore - if you go to ssc, the director of the project is a poster there and he himself has said that court is giving problems on the project and asking them to submit designs again and again, even thought LDA has approved them over 10 times and they say nothing is wrong with it.
PC hotel expansion, 42 story tower in lahore, stoped by the court, cos they think people will go to the top and spy on gov. buildings, LOL how stupid.
will i can just go on on the list is huge, but just look at the silly excuses made by the courts, this has lost pakistan bilions and billions of dollars as well as millions and millions of jobs, these could have boomed the economy even more.
Mr Suhaib,
Have you ever been to a developed country i.e. USA or any European Country. They have numerous projects much bigger then what you mentioned above. In these country a countless number of projects are regularly halted because of danger to some kind of Eagle or a racoon (let alone people). One of the most known example is that of Alaska oil drilling where Oil companies are prohibited to drill because of danger to caribous ( a kind of deer).
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i have hardly talked about developments here, like i said this forum is filled with people wanting to bring democracy and the lotas back and hardly anything else gets discussed here.
There is nothing wrong demanding democracy, and you are complaining of "lotas" as if Musharraf's cabinet is missing any lota and not negotiating deals with criminals???
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limitless/nakheels $80 billion city at hawks bay: well the project is stop cos of the silly excuse of beach should not be privatized, dnt forget french beach is allready private and they dnt have an issue with that and this happens all over the world
Emaars $65 billion islands in karachi - this must have been the most stupid excuse ever, courts are saying that they will** destory mangroves**, but with the help of google earth you can see that emaars islands are completly different to the mangroves ones.
Road projects:
road widening projects of ferozpur and canal roads in lahore- well courts are saying that they will** chop down to many trees**, but when they did it previously they had nothing to say and let them do it without interfering, and the gov. has itself said that trees taken out will be re-planted. so whats the issue.
on ferozpur road the reason is unknown,
there is also ring road blocked and numerous other road projects
Lahore sports city- this was a mega $6.2 billion sports city made by baktar of uae and punjab gov., unfortunatly courts didnt let him go ahead with the project, cos villagers were being replaced and even thought gov. was given them full compensation, irony is that, this happens with all projects in pakistan and happens all over the world including uk and usa
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Most excuses don't make sense except the last one, if villagers don't want to be replaced then they shouldn't have to, but the case would be strong if villagers are agreeing to be replaced.
Now, are all these cases decided in "Supreme Court"? or High Courts?
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mabarak center, lahore - if you go to ssc, the director of the project is a poster there and he himself has said that court is giving problems on the project and asking them to submit designs again and again, even thought LDA has approved them over 10 times and they say nothing is wrong with it.
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Which court is that? And there must be someone who filed a case against it, correct?
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PC hotel expansion, 42 story tower in lahore, stoped by the court, cos they think people will go to the top and spy on gov. buildings, LOL how stupid.
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Agree but then you just gave examples of US and UK for other cases, does it not happen in US where govt stops/blocks construction of high-rises closer to govt buildings/installations close by?
Re: The Thief Justice and the well overdue emergancy
i understand you letting go of a thief after not being proven one, but a terroist is a completly different thing, its hard to prove them, they are hardcore fanatics, letting them go will mean a few more explosions and alot more deaths, its better to keep them locked up for a while and give the gov. more time to investigate.
Did you not read the other news where government freed 25 terrorists as part of deal with terrorists who released some 200+ armymen?
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i understand you letting go of a thief after not being proven one, but a terroist is a completly different thing, its hard to prove them, they are hardcore fanatics, letting them go will mean a few more explosions and alot more deaths, its better to keep them locked up for a while and give the gov. more time to investigate.
The problem Supreme Court had, was how these 'so-called' or 'real' terrorists were grabbed from their houses and were never presented in front of a court. At least charge them for some crime or at-least request a remand. But NO. How would you feel, if your brother or father or son, would be 'abducted' from their houses and never presented in a court or charged with anything.
BTW, you didn't throw any light on those two judges who took oath under the PCO.
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Mr Suhaib,
Have you ever been to a developed country i.e. USA or any European Country. They have numerous projects much bigger then what you mentioned above. In these country a countless number of projects are regularly halted because of danger to some kind of Eagle or a racoon (let alone people). One of the most known example is that of Alaska oil drilling where Oil companies are prohibited to drill because of danger to caribous ( a kind of deer).
dude i am living in the UK and am working at savills, one of europes biggest real estate development companies.
i am very welll aware of the industry of not just hear but in pakistan is well, and the excuses given by the court for the projects listed by me are riddiculusly stupid, and it would be laughted at hear in the UK,
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dude i am living in the UK and am working at savills, one of europes biggest real estate development companies. i am very welll aware of the industry of not just hear but in pakistan is well, and the excuses given by the court for the projects listed by me are riddiculusly stupid, and it would be laughted at hear in the UK,
Sir,
Even if you work in the biggest real estate in the world, you didn't answer my Question. Were the points raised in my previous post regarding stopping of commercial ventures because of harming to natural environment or a bald eagle, true or false?
Are you also lauging on stopping of the Hundreds of Billion worth of Oil-drilling because of a few caribous?