Re: The Charter of Democracy
I hope all 3 bhagooray somehow remain in UK for ever!
so u agree with present charter of army rule in Pakistan? present corrupt elements have agreed to select Musharaf after 2007 as army president...
Re: The Charter of Democracy
There wont be any deal.. after Charter for Democracy.. PPP have gone for the Charter after rejecting any deal.. this would be a bright day for Pakistan when at least politicians admit their mistakes and vow never to be allured by army stooges.. when there would be an audit of army and they be resposible to people..
Re: The Charter of Democracy
Cases against Benazir are entirely different and she has been acquited in most of them.. and were politically motivated.. withg each acquited case she earns an apology from the llikes of those who opposes here..
Altaf Hussain on other hand has 260 cases and most of them are criminal like killing, torture kidnapping and others.. Interestingly , why he has not visited Pakistan even after his party is power and has joined hands with Musharaf? He has his man as Governor (another killer) while home minister of Sindh is also from MQM.. still he cant come to Pakistan!!!!
Fact is Altaf - taxi driver in the United States,was handpicked by Zia to keep PPP influence down in Sindh and sowed seeds of hate by helping Altaf and a natioalist party to prosper . The result, was militant bands with a hand in the drug trade of Karachi composing of of 5,000-6,000 hit men and notorious criminals. Carjacking, land grabbing, extortion, kidnapping, drug running, illegal construction made them huge sum of money which gave them remarkable gains in successive elections. Altaf also opened up a number of torture cells around the city for (reporters, human rights activists, doctors, police officials, etc.) who refused to toe his line. All know that ironically he tortured some army people and result was he had to flew the country..
dude,u cant be serious about defending the "blowjob queen"!!!.her claim to fame earlier in her life.But Altaaf ki shakal per to Aisi phatkaar pari hai kay kya bataon,i wudnt even spit on his face.He can never come to pakistan becoz he has commited so many murders and people dont forget their loved ones,someone or the other will kill him for sure if not hte army itself.He can never come back to Pakistan(i hate it when geo asswhipes try to give him airtime).
These moves seem to increase the power of the ruler,which idealy is good bcoz army shudnt have that much power and influence on a elected govt. all moderm democracy have that.but ours is anything but modern.We have corrupt leaders,but what u guys seem to forget is that,in most cases,and in most countries,its the job of the judiciary to protect the rights of the ppl and keep an eye on the rulers,among other agencies.We need to clean our judicial system ASAP.but that has been completely overlooked by the current govt. which also only seeks to consolidate its own power.
Re: The Charter of Democracy
There will be a deal, whatever the PPP says at this moment. In the 1980's the PPP signed similar charters with other parties, yet when it was given power Benazir accepted all the amendments to the constitution put in by General Zia, including giving the President wide powers i.e. to sack the government, appoint military chiefs etc. She also endorsed the candidacy of Ghulam Ishaq Khan for the office of the President, and supported his re-election for 5 years, as well the induction of Zia-era stalwarts like Sahibzada Yakoob Ali Khan as foreign minister. In recent years she welcomed Musharraf's overthrow of the Nawaz Sharif govermment, and even volunteered to help his military administration out. The same sort of deals with the PPP, large elements of it, or Shahbaz Sharif etc will happen as we approach the 2007/08 elections.
Re: The Charter of Democracy
Well if both are cheater and corrupt, why take a pain of change of government? At least there will be continuity in policies!!!
I don’t give damn to democracy. There has never been a democracy in Pakistan. BB and BABA got the chair after making deals with Army in the past and rest assured, BB and BABA will do the same if they get a chance in future. Nawaz was planted by Army so he has nothing to do with democracy. BB was popular but she lost the respect when she made a deal with Army to come into power after 1988 elections. BB’s party celebrated on 13th OCT 1999 aur methiaan bateen gaeen theen when Army took over and She is still in talks with Musharraf. Ager BB apnee jaga Mukhdoon sahib ko PM bananey per razi ho jaeen tu BB’s party can struck the deal with Musharraf tomorrow, so where is the democracy?
Re: The Charter of Democracy
Thanks to GEO, hope every supporter of "democracy" was able to watch the clips in which workers of two "democratic" parties (PPP and Muslim Leagure -N) were beating the protesters coz they were holding a rally against Charter of Democracy. Even if (a BIG IF) those students were sent in for protest by Musharraf, PPP and ML(n) should have let them express their views ....basic right of democracy....i am telling you ... they have never allowed media to speak and they will not let it happen in future!!!
Re: The Charter of Democracy
I don’t give damn to democracy.
point noted..
no one is saying about govt.. its the system that needs to be changed.. Pakistan to be run by a constitution where army needs only to protect borders and dont conquest its own country..
Re: The Charter of Democracy
the charter of democracy people actully punched them in public repeatedly to go away, torn the clothes and the play card.
how tolerant and democratic????? are they
if some one had video of that, could you please forward that to me? I want to report this to Police here.
Re: The Charter of Democracy
Exactly. free speech is the base of democracy. If Musharraf’s era is not 100% free speech era even then its 100000000% better than BB and BABA’s era. Forget about serious criticism, they never even tolerated the jokes and comedy about themselves and their government.
I am not for Army rule at all, but I am all for non-BB-BABA govt even if its Musharraf!
Re: The Charter of Democracy
Our country need leaders and good educated ones.
Re: The Charter of Democracy
“Musharraf blasts charter of democracy”
http://dawn.com/2006/05/17/top1.htm
Re: The Charter of Democracy
Ahsan Iqbal cam on geo to defend punching of protestors.
"It was organised by govt of Paksitan and he is HAPPY that it didnt go well"
what the hell, so he is happy about the punching of our youth on peaceful protest?????
Shame on such idiots who brand themselves as democratic and signing the so called charter of democracy!!!!!!!
May Allah bring death to all dishonest idiots.
Re: The Charter of Democracy
The text of the finalized charter;
http://dawn.com/2006/05/16/local23.htm
In a country where elected MNAs, MPAs, Ministers along with their countrymen cant submit enough even to follow traffic laws properly, what purpose could this comedy serve afterall…?
Re: The Charter of Democracy
Playing with emotions :smack:
Javed Hashmi says the ARD’s next step should be to resign from parliament.
Hehe easy for him to say because he’s in a cell. But would his democarcy fanatic brethren follow his advice? They aren’t all that sincere about ‘democracy’ alone now Hashmi saab.
Meanwhile he and his daughter maimoona have sent their resignations from parliament to Sharif saab. what a nice route. What has to be delivered somewhere in Isl from somewhere in Isl is being routed through london :rolleyes:
Aisi *honesty *ka ki kariye…:hoonh:
Re: The Charter of Democracy
Charter for Democracy 
sounds more like a Charter for corruption to me.
Re: The Charter of Democracy
The old resentments between the two are still bubbling away at the bottom.
Shadow over the Charter of Democracy
Editorial comment on the Charter of Democracy signed by Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif on Sunday has been mostly positive, focusing on the resolve of the two mainstream parties to cooperate in future and not let the army interfere in the political process. The eight-page document has been seen as “a comprehensive mechanism for establishing Parliament’s supremacy, demanding presentation of the defence budget in Parliament”. Editorials have noted with approval the call to restore the prime minister’s power to head the cabinet committee on defence (DCC) and subordinating the National Command and Control Authority (NCCA) — a body currently headed by the president and responsible for the country’s nuclear assets — to the DCC. The clause seeking audit of military land disposal under the Ministry of Defence, proposing a committee to investigate all land allotments to armed services after October 12, 1999, has found broad acceptance. The Charter also calls for a “commission to investigate the removal of two prime ministers in 1996 and after the Kargil operation in 1999”. It seeks to make it obligatory for all army officers and members of the judiciary to declare their assets annually. Needless to say, the demand for “an independent election commission chosen with the consent of all stakeholders and independent of executive control” has been welcomed. There also is the pledge to revert to the constitution of Pakistan as it was before October 12, 1999, meaning repeal of the 17th amendment that “allows chief of army staff to become president and bans politicians from running for the prime minister’s office thrice”.
What has however cast a long shadow on the future of the Charter are the almost reflexive political developments at home and what transpired in London before the two leaders agreed to sign the document. There was news that the signing was delayed by “several hours” because there was “difference of opinion” on the following points. Mr Sharif objected severely to going to the house of Rehman Malik, the former FIA boss who had personally arrested his father under Ms Bhutto’s government. Later, after the 1997 election, Mr Malik’s “leaks” from London made life difficult for the Sharif government. But Ms Bhutto did not give ground. Instead, she demanded that Mr Sharif formally repudiate the cases initiated by his Ehtesab Bureau chief Saifur Rehman against her. Mr Sharif refused, arguing that this would make Saifur Rehman liable to legal proceedings for false prosecution. Mr Sharif was of the view that if the two big parties were not ready to announce a joint struggle and fight the next election as an alliance, there was no use in signing the Charter. To this Ms Bhutto replied that time was not ripe for a joint struggle or for an electoral alliance. This prompted Mr Sharif to accuse the PPP of making secret contacts with General Pervez Musharraf to conclude a “deal”, and he would have refused to sign if some senior leaders from both sides had not pointed out that not signing a charter would bring negative publicity to both the leaders and result less popularity for both the parties. Therefore it was finally decided that the Charter should be signed without prejudice to the different positions held by the two sides on the current political situation.
It is interesting to note that the ARD parties, instead of welcoming the Charter without qualifications, have bridled at the lack of consultation before it was formulated. The small parties were of the view that “it was a good sign that the PPP and PMLN had agreed on an agenda”, but noted that there was “need to consult other ARD component parties before taking a final decision on the charter”. They said that the ARD leaders would discuss the charter on July 2 and would suggest amendments to it, but it “would have been better if Benazir and Nawaz had met all the ARD leaders before signing the charter”. **The biggest blow, however, came on Monday when Maulana Fazlur Rehman of the JUI, declared that his party would not take part in any agitation to jeopardise the 2007 election, whether General Musharraf was in power or not. **That leaves Qazi Hussain Ahmad and Imran Khan holding the bag all alone. Qazi Sahib is exhorting all and sundry to join his cadres to march on Islamabad in September. Now he knows that the two mainstream parties are not completely agreed on the idea of street agitation; and he has learned that his big partner in the MMA is ready neither to agitate nor to forswear the 17th Amendment. This means that the idea of not letting General Musharraf preside over the next election is already dying before becoming mature. A severely split PMLN is hardly in a position to fill the gap left in a possible anti-Musharraf agitation in September. The pledges made in the Charter are already under a shadow. *
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\05\17\story_17-5-2006_pg3_1
Re: The Charter of Democracy
The Charter of Democracy
Otherwise known as The Complete Idiot's Guide to sucking the nation dry.
Sharif and Bhutto's Charter of Democracy
Pakistan’s former prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif are at it again. They now have signed a charter of democracy. Why? What is their game plan? Why are they deceiving us again in the name of democracy? Why do they consider us a commodity that parochial and selfish political leaders can handle as they wish?
We have seen the regimes of the two who are now so anxious to save democracy. Their governments were sacked because of corruption, mismanagement, and embezzlement of funds. They brought the country to the brink of disaster. They looted national exchequer. And they want to do it again. Unfortunately for them, Pakistan is on a correction course guided by the pragmatic policies of President Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz. But it is time for us to be on our guard. All opposition parties have come together to get rid of Musharraf, who has done a commendable job. He restored the image of Pakistan in the community of nations. His foreign policy is successful. His policy against global terrorism is much appreciated. There is no way these two corrupt politicians can bring down Musharraf.
Even if they do, what will happen next? Who will come to power? Will Benazir tolerate Nawaz Sharif? Can we expect Qazi Hussain Ahmad to accept Benazir? Their proven political immaturity and selfishness say otherwise.
Should this “charter of democracy” battalion come to power, the era of mismanagement, corruption and embezzlement will start once again. The people of Pakistan must be aware of the hollowness of their slogans, attractive political manifestoes and promises.
Re: Sharif and Bhutto's Charter of Democracy
Benazir Bhutto humiliated Nawaz Sharif by making him sign this agreement at the house of his family's greatest enemy - Rehman Malik, who personally arrested 'Abba ji' some years ago. Many in the the PML N are now talking of pushing Nawaz out, and for him to make way for his brother Shahbaz because they are seething with him for making a deal with BB. The MMA is taking a different path, and there is talk of BB doing a deal with Musharraf sometime soon. This pact will be history soon.
Re: Sharif and Bhutto's Charter of Democracy
^ Benazir Bibi will have to pay for this. Poor Big Tind.. wasnt around even when his Abba'ji died. Why do we treat leaders who we owe a lot this worse? I mean do they deserve such treatment?