The Bush family, they just don't get it.

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while watching CBS news last night, they reported that there was failure at all level. The Gov. of LA was ill equipped to handle such a disaster. The Mayor is no where to be find for comments. They showed how people are helping people and then they showed footage of a FEMA officer saying that they are planning on how to approach the problem...that they cannot just walk into a disaster area. It is easy to shift the blame around but it looks like no one was prepared for such a large scale disaster even though they had fair warning. Quite sad to see local and state govts fail to help their own people.

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Kaleem i dont think anyone here is blaming GW to have malicious intent, but gross negligence and failure to perform.

Do you think everything went hunky dory? are all the experts who are saying things were not done properly wrong? was the rescue operation done in an organized, well coordinated and effective manner?

hey, I supported Bush and was the host for different fundraisers for him, but the guy has failed miserably and is proving even more ineffective than his father.

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it has been a very sad situation for the world's most powerful and richest country in the world. media has no doubtly been very brutal towards the govt officials, a nice change. i hope this trend catches on all around the world, including the muslim countries. its about time journalistS do their job the right way.

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love the Bushiites jumping in for damage control.. Rove is working overtime i guess handing down talking points..

do all of u seriously believe it was the Mayor's and Governor's responsibility to haul 50,000 people out of New Orleans right after the disaster happened? If yes then do we agree it isn't FEMA's responsibility or jurisdiction to do anything like that if a disaster caused by terrorism were to take place?

So please tell me now .. how many billions of dollars have gone to FEMA and for what?

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PA, dont get over excited. It is local govt. job to protect its citizens from disaster. It is their job to prepare their citizens, it is their job not to waste funds on casino planning....Now you tell me whose job was it to take care of the levees for the last 30 plus years.....

There is no damage control, every one agrees that Bush moved too slowly on this so did FEMA. However, lets not pin all the blame on them.

P.S. Did Hillary herself gave you the talking points? ALso if you build your house next to a river do you expect the federal govt. to build a levee for you?

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Fraudz, I am not defending Bush…but lets see about your post.

Things were not done properly …hmmmm they were not done properly for teh last 30 plus years in NO.
Rescue operation was not conducted in organized and well coordinated manner…i think that everyone will agree that it requires local cooperation to run such operations smoothly or “well coordinated”. If the local govt. is run by an incompetent person who likes to “lickty quick” rather than addressing the problem on hand then those operations did not have a chance.

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Whover is to be blamed, at least they cannont say they werent warned. In 2002, these guys published the results of a computer model of a scenario similar to this. Everything the model predicted has turned out to be true.

New Orleans Times-Picayune published an award-winning five-part series called Washing Away that covered various scenarios (including a Category 5 hurricane hitting the city from the south) and explored the various environmental changes that have increased the area’s vulnerability. One article in the series concluded, “Hundreds of thousands would be left homeless, and it would take months to dry out the area and begin to make it livable. But there wouldn’t be much for residents to come home to. The local economy would be in ruins.”

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Actually according to the city and state disaster plans, it is precisely their responsibility to organize the evacuation. The city had hundreds of unused school buses, and transit busses. The Federal government would have paid the wages of the drivers and the gas once the disaster was declared. FEMA and the Red Cross wold organize the shelters. The National Guard who to this moment is still under the control of the Governor has plenty of MREs and water. This is the first national disaster in history where Federal Troops have responded.

Here is a description of the Louisiana Guard, which reports directly to the Governor:

The National Guard of the United States is the only component of the Armed Forces with a dual federal - state role. The Guard is organized, trained and equipped to be available in times of national emergency, upon the call of the President. It can also be called upon by the Governor for state duty, to preserve peace and order and protect life and property in the event of natural disasters or civil disturbances. The federal Government is responsible for equipping, training and paying the Guardsmen (except the state pays them for active state duty). The state is also responsible for providing Guard personnel and training facilities.

In the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Mitch, the Louisiana Army National Guard opened its armories for two days to collect goods from concerned citizens. More than 500,000 pounds of medicine, water, clothing, food and personal items were collected.

Task Force Aguan deployed to Honduras in February for New Horizons 99-2, a six-month engineering rebuilding exercise. The LAARNG led the exercise by repairing roads, bridges and culverts and building schools and clinics. Medical personnel also conducted medical exercises to provide basic care to the population.

In April 1999, a tornado tore through the community of Benton in North Louisiana. The LAARNG provided security, clean up and debris removal support. The LAARNG also hauled 4.3 million gallons of water to several communities during droughts and more than 18 tons of day to drought-stricken cattle farmers throughout the state. the LAARNG launched a second Youth Challenge Program for high school dropouts and will conduct a Starbase Program for select New Orleans public schools. Finally, the LAARNG was recognized for an unprecedented 10th year in a row as one of the top three National Guard organizations in the Army communities of Excellence competition.

Today’s Louisiana National Guardsmen have fifty million dollars worth of Army and Air Force equipment and the federal Government provides fifteen million dollars in supporting funds each year. The Louisiana National Guard has state owned or controlled training facilities valued at over twenty-five million dollars. The National Guard Bureau serves as the channel of communications and funding between the states and the Departments of the Army and Air Force.** The Governor, by virtue of his office, is the Commander-in-Chief of the Louisiana Army and Air National Guard. The Adjutant General, appointed by the Governor’s orders, performs his duties under the laws of Louisiana and applicable federal laws and regulations. The Adjutant General and his staff are full-time employees of the State-funded Military Department. **They are, in addition, in drill status as officers of the federally recognized National Guard. Since its original organization to assist in maintaining law and order within the various states, the Guard has extended its responsibilities to assist in natural disasters. Louisiana has had its full share of disasters ranging from the great Mississippi River floods of the 1920s to the tornadoes, fires, explosions and vicious hurricanes of more recent years. **The Louisiana National Guard, strategically located in all major communities of the state, possesses the organization, manpower, training and equipment to handle such emergencies. ****The Guard keeps alert plans in a constant state of readiness to enable it to assemble members quickly and hurry manpower and equipment to critical areas in an emergency. **
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/arng-la.htm

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In 2 lines:

Governor of LA and Bush were not on same page. Mayor and Governor were not on same page. FEMA was stuck in the Dept of Homeland Security bureacracy. This created power struggle and leadership void.

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I like selective highlighting..OG you forgot this "The federal Government is responsible for equipping, training and paying the Guardsmen (except the state pays them for active state duty). "

Where did all the troops go? hmmmm

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so PD, your arguement is that the Govenment did not train them properly? Or it was inadequate pay, or bad equipment?

This will be remarkably easy to trace down. The Adjunct General, the head of the Louisiana National Guard will tell us when and where he was ordered by the Governor to go in to New Orleans. None of the other Governors seemed to have a problem, just Louisiana. Lousiana has a history of lynchings. I suspect that the Governor will probably flee the state when the Adjunct General is finally fully interviewed.

Good editorial:

The governor procrastinates

TODAY’S EDITORIAL
September 7, 2005

Before hurricane Katrina made landfall, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco of Louisiana appears to have been more focused on securing federal funds for post-hurricane relief than ensuring that necessary troops were deployed to carry search and rescue missions, deliver food and water, and protect the citizens of Louisiana against marauding street thugs.
President Bush had offered the governor federal aid, including additional troops. He declared Louisiana a disaster area before Katrina arrived. To the dismay of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, the governor told the president she wanted 24 hours to decide whether to accept the offer because Mr. Bush, as commander-in-chief, wanted control of the troops. Many of the governor’s constituents died because of the delay.
On her Internet Web site, Mrs. Blanco displays her letter to Mr. Bush dated Aug. 28, in which she requests various forms of federal funding for dealing with the expected aftermath of the storm, and estimates that she will need about $130 million. **In the letter, Mrs. Blanco does not request federal troops, nor does she highlight any immediate needs. **
Clearly not enough troops were deployed. On Aug. 30, the day after the storm hit, only 4,700 National Guardsmen were mobilized in the state. Mrs. Blanco could have asked for a more substantial force under established emergency-mutual-assistance compacts, which enables governors of neighboring states to share resources in times of disaster. Of the 300,000 Guard troops in the United States, 6,500 are in Louisiana, and nearly half of those are deployed abroad, most of them in Iraq.
The delay in requesting the necessary troops is inexplicable and there was no justification for it. In a press conference on Saturday, Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, said: “The real issue, particularly in New Orleans, is that no one anticipated the disintegration or the erosion of the civilian police force in New Orleans.” New Orleans musters only 1,500 police officers, insufficient for dealing with a storm like Katrina even without any “disintegration.”
Lt. Gen. Blum said the National Guard did not move sooner to secure the Superdome and convention center because commanders were waiting to amass “an overwhelming force.” Again, there was an an insufficient number of troops. Since then the Guard has mobilized quickly, and there are now more than 40,000 troops deployed in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida.
Mrs. Blanco appeared to have been unaware of the prospects of catastrophe in New Orleans and other areas. Those left behind could tell her about it.
http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20050906-093817-7790r.htm

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FEMA is fed responsibility, and it is now under homeland security anyways. The ppl running FEMA and homeland security are idiots anyways look at their credentials, we should have rather recruited competitive underwater basket weavers or recreational baboon farmers to run the damn thing. On one side we have a self centered ladder climber like Chertoff whose only credential to run homeland security is that he shltered buh’s pals while illegally bringing down Arthur Andersen (per US Supreme Court) and then you have the head of FEMA who is less qualified to run FEMA than Bozo the clown.

Are you thus saying that FEMA did everything right and the local govt did not? I think that both needed to do a lot more. But an agency whose charter is emergency mgmt failed in its primary duty

whther or not local authorities failed does not excuse the fact that FEMA failed miserably and this was on W’s watch.

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"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas"

Spoken like a true W.A.S.P.

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I told you this hurricane is going to unroot the stinky reality of racism in the US. Gah, the more I see people and how they really work, the more I hate them.

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New Orleans Times-Picayune published an award-winning five-part series called Washing Away that covered various scenarios (including a Category 5 hurricane hitting the city from the south) and explored the various environmental changes that have increased the area's vulnerability. One article in the series concluded, "Hundreds of thousands would be left homeless, and it would take months to dry out the area and begin to make it livable. But there wouldn't be much for residents to come home to. The local economy would be in ruins."

The LOCAL economy? Are u friggin kidding me? This is going to cost the entire nation - its going to have a darn domino effect.

And its all going to be because of those refineries.

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^ WoW...all becuase of the refineries....PCG for your information they will rebuild the refinery but not the city. What is going to cost the tax payers is the rebuilding of the lives of effected people and infrastructure.

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^ do you know what the insurance premium on the refineries will be? Yes they'll be rebuilt bit the cost of ops is changed for ever.

Just like Nawlins r.estate prices are changed for the next 4 decades

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FJ exactly insurance will pay for them....but the problem is not with the refineries its the rigs out in the sea....they need to be rebuilt. Refineries are usually owned by the Private oil/gas companies anyway...so rest easy and dont act like PCG (dont know jack about it but gosh darn it I have an opinion about it)

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:rolleyes:

Fine, when you are forced to sell your car, then think back on what I said.

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PCG, I will take that under advisement. I appreciate your concern regarding my financial well being.