The blasphemous film and muslims in western countries.

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thats what most of them do anyways .. u just have to live in this world to know that

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Why would I be upset over a movie trailer (is there even a movie?) that's made by a bunch of clowns who know $hit about my religion and Prophet? What upsets me more is that the people who claim to know my religion and Prophet are acting in a way that is against the spirit and teaching of our religion. Do the two men who made/promoted the movie represent their nations (U.S. / Western world)? or are the actions of thousands of Muslims around the world representative of our collective thinking? Unfortunately it’s getting much harder to argue against the latter.

Are our beliefs so insecure and faith so fragile that we get incited over impish statements by mere nobodies?

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Is this the 500 dollar budget movie?

I wouldn't have known about it unless I had actually watched CNN last week out of boredom.

Who cares. People have in the past, now, and will hate Muhammed (SAW). That's their choice. Our choice is to follow his teachings, which is live Islam and teach it by example, and I don't see how rioting is consistent with that.

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The reason is that Muslims can never protest peacefully and they never settle for anything less than murder for punishment and western countries do not tolerate this kind of badmashi.

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I disagree. Every single Muslim can make a difference.....not just those that are living in "western countries".
Even the average pakistani mard can make a difference simply by ignoring such material.

People that make such movies/cartoons etc. do it because they can count on a reaction from the illiterate masses around the world. And 9 times out of 10 they get exactly what they bargained for......rioting, destruction of property in the name of "protests". They play us well....don't you think?

I would like to believe that the Muslims in "those countries" know better than to draw attention to something as insignificant as this.

First and foremost --- ghussa is haram hence no point becoming angry. Second....do some reading and discover how our beloved prophet s.a.w. reacted when he was insulted directly to his face. What did he do? How did he react? Adopt that approach! He was here to teach us. Have we not learned anything?

If you look around at the most respected scholars and alims you will find that their demeanour is always peaceful and calming. No matter if an opponent appears before them and attacks the very faith they preach....they still reply with kindness and in a gentle tone. These are the things that we should learn and follow.

Personally I am not angered by the movie......haven't watched it.....haven't even watched the trailer and will not. That will be my protest......to be dismissive and completely ignore the whole thing so that it (i.e. the matter) dies as fast a death as possible.

Our faith is too grand to be tarnished by such simple minds......Alhamdulillah!

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^ Couldn't have said it better.

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Muslims in East or West cannot make any difference, every Muslim who respect and follow the Sunnah of prophet Mohammad (p.b.u.h.) knows that evil people always go after prophets. It is mentioned in Quran that people will always do these kind of things, it's not just Hazrat Mohammad (p..b.u.h.) people went after Hazrat Eesa (a.s.). Of course we feel bad but that doesn't mean we do stupid things. If we are good Muslims we should better know what Hazrat Mohammad would have done in this situation. He would have never allowed people to do what they are doing now. He would have said to be patient and feel sorry for the people who have made this movie.

I think following what our Prophet has told us is much more important than going out and protest and not saying prayers or not following the true Islam.

Sorry but your questions just make me more angry.

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By protesting, we gain nothing. what have protests ever gained. remember, WE as MUSLIMS are meant to be respect our islam and our prophet. not the non muslims, theres no obligation on them to do so. if they make offensive films, so what? ignore. BY IGNORING, you are doing what they dont expect from us, they expect us to protest, go mad and start creating PUBLICITY FOR THE FILM. which is what we have done. if we simply IGNORE, no one woudlve watched it anyway.

its more offensive for a muslim to not practise his religion but preach it, than for a white guy to make a low budget trashy movie.

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Yesterday one of my politically conservative (republican) friends on FB shared some image from a group that by itself was a very bad statement and disrespect of Prophet (peace be upon him). So I thought to report it to FB but then msged him that its very hateful and should be removed. He replied with his apologies and removed it. That ascertained my belief that communication is the best way to solve any issue.

But yes you cant do much about those are adamant to spread hatred and being violent will never do any good.

My POV is exactly the same as ustad Noman Ali Khan says in the vid posted earlier.

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The film got what it was looking for, cheap publicity.

Honestly, rioting is no way going to show our love for Prophet SAW. We are actually completely going against his teachings if we are doing that.

However, it is wrong and should be verbally condemned but that's about it !

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I agree wholeheartedly! The last thing we should be doing in this situation is helping the film gain publicity, which is exactly what is happening through all this talk of it and the angry protests/reactions. This is one of those situations where any publicity is most definitely good publicity. I got a text from a friend telling me to boycott YT because it is promoting and raising awareness of the anti-Islamic movie, erm.. I didn’t even know about the movie until I got the message :hinna:

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Could you pass that wisdom please?

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Have not bothered to search for movie trailer in You tube. Staying away from toxic stuff is best.

@muzna - love that "gussa is haram" phrase. Hope to remember it.

Now don't be gussa. There is no h in ghussa per my English Roman Hindi dictionary!

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I personally don’t think we (muslims in the west) should be ‘protesting’ like our fellow muslims in non-western countries. Killing people, burning vehicles and flags, etc doesn’t help much, no? People aren’t gaining anything from those protests at all, instead they are demolishing properties of their own countries. Kis ka nuqsaan ho raha hai? :smack:

We are being hurt because of some bakwaas and offensive movie about the Prophet (s.a.w.) but funny thing is we aren’t responding in the same way the Prophet (s.a.w.) would have done. That’s the most saddest part of this story. It’s OUR responsibility to show the world who Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) really was and what he has taught us. If we don’t follow his example then how can we expect non-muslims doing the same?

The purpose of this movie must have been to provoke such a reaction from the muslim world, well they succeed? And it’s not like people will stop doing offensive things. Who knows next time someone else will decide to make an even more pathetic movie about our Prophet (s.a.w.), then what?

If we choose not to protest doesn’t mean we don’t condemn it , we do.. but there are other ways to show our emotions. While muslims in the muslim world were protesting against the movie, an muslim organisation in London reacted in a different way. They chose not to organise huge gatherings of angry muslims.. Instead they distributed 100,000 free Qurans in response to this blasphemous movie.
Now THAT is what I would like to call doing justice to the teachings of our Prophet (s.a.w.)

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Peace pakistanimard

The majority of the Muslims in the west regardless of the religious or non-religious share a view regarding the Muslim protestors in this matter and similar matters. We consider this action born out of ignorance and uncontrolled emotional turmoil.

It is not the place for a Muslim to behave out of the control of his senses unleashing pure ignorance and emotion in any matter. Rather such situations present themselves as an opportunity to strategise a response.

We do not consider such displays to be demonstrating love of our dear and holy prophet Muhammad (SAW) in any way at all. It appears to us that these riots are excuses for economically and politically impoverished Muslims to vent at huge scales. It appears selfish.

I saw a few minutes of the video and in honesty they have done the same thing to their own holy figures in the Bible ... With respect to all prophets even the Bible itself is a document proving that they have changed the scripture to make the prophets seem to be like any of us with all of our faults. They have simply done the same to our prophet in their ignorance.

They do these things to get a response from us ... We give them a response and then the media feature them even more ... Paying them for their time. The people who riot in the East are making sure that these film makers get paid ... Do you see the ignorance?

The best response we can give to ignorant hate fuelling is to remain silent ... Don't say anything ... Supplicate against those who made the film and see how Allah (SWT) deals with them ... :) ..... In the Hereafter ... And perhaps in this life too ...

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I'm sure you are a big fan of Govinda and Mithunda movies in which you have to leave your brians outside the movie theater before you watch them. Did you apply the same formula to watch this movie as well..lol???

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I don't watch Indian movies.

As for this movie, my faith is stronger than the ridicule I saw in this movie.

But the people who are protesting, clearly their faith is not as strong in Islam because they can get easily riled up by a shoddy movie.

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I don't know how fair it may be to assess someone's faith in light of their reactions but I wouldn't hesitate to say that those showing extreme emotional distress over this and behaving in a destructive manner certainly are overlooking basic Islamic teachings.....

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Killing people has no justification. That poor USA ambassoador had a family. He had nothing to do with that movie.

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Yes I'm scared. I'm scared because West has hypocritical policies and I will be deported back to Pakistan or fined for voicing against it on fb etc.