I advocate abolition of quota system, especially after so many years. I don't think it has served to take care of our problems here. Affirmative action in the US has had more opposite effects on the community it was implemented for. Indeed in Pakistan, I don't think it has had a n effective recourse.
And I also think Pakistan's provinces need a little more current discourse on antional participation than the farsoodeh territorial demarcations we got from the Brits. It is not about Punjabis or Sindhis or Mohajirs. We all love Pakistan flag don't we? Problem is with effective representation in the elected body I believe.
I advocate abolition of quota system, especially after so many years. I don't think it has served to take care of our problems here. Affirmative action in the US has had more opposite effects on the community it was implemented for. Indeed in Pakistan, I don't think it has had a n effective recourse.
And I also think Pakistan's provinces need a little more current discourse on antional participation than the farsoodeh territorial demarcations we got from the Brits. It is not about Punjabis or Sindhis or Mohajirs. We all love Pakistan flag don't we? Problem is with effective representation in the elected body I believe.
I don't disagree with that, but any talk of these issues usually gets people accused of being traitors or worse.
Dignity of pakistan comes from beheading it's soldiers and blowing up civilians? You're a funny guy. Neocon is an American term for Americans and even they don't use it as often anymore.
No it does not, but neither does it come from military action at the behest and only and only at the behest of a foreign power, radicalising and rebelling the Republic's own population.
Necon is an efficient pejorative term I'll use for folks who play the name game. I think it's effective.
I don't disagree with that, but any talk of these issues usually gets people accused of being traitors or worse.
Well, let not antagonising comments such as those radicalize you. It is easy to become what you don't like. But we are educated, and we should trust in our compatriots regardless of their ethnic affiliation that good people among us would listen. Thick skin. A much prized commodity.
No it does not, but neither does it come from military action at the behest and only and only at the behest of a foreign power, radicalising and rebelling the Republic's own population.
Necon is an efficient pejorative term I'll use for folks who play the name game. I think it's effective.
Taliban were beheading and massacring their enemies long before any military action was taken against them.
Using the term jihadi is also effective and accurate towards the supporters of beheaders.
Taliban were beheading and massacring their enemies long before any military action was taken against them.
Using the term jihadi is also effective and accurate towards the supporters of beheaders.
Taliban were Afghans, and they massacred their political opponents yes. Like I have said before, they were a fascist regime whose following came from the poor illiterate villagers who grew up in refugee camps in Pakistan. And they acted like what a poor illiterate villager would act when brought into power in a violent, flustercluck FUBAR zone. They acted with efficiency. Even then their violence and killings were absolutely nothing compared to what the warlords in Afghanistan had done to Pashtuns and to each other. Their popularity in Afghanistan was not there for nothing. A close parallel is with Iran's Islamic revolution even though Iran had not seen a 10th of calamities that Afghans had. N
Anyways, this is Paksitan, not Afghanistan. I don't care (sorry, or give first priority) to what they do there. My first concern is here.
I give the same answers to Gitmo-AbuGhraib-Shinbet-Mossad-neocon loving Americans. I don't care what they do in Israel, or Russia. This is the United States.
i get a strong impression mqm support base would not respect national integrity, given the right circumstances. in fact this rebellion is probably just waiting for musharaf to come down before it unleashes its planned lack of co-operation and then lawlessness.
threat is coming from a tiny minority of mohajirs and even smaller number of sindhis but is pakistans most significant threat minus fata. one of its guises is based around karachi taxes but they can just pick any issue for its all about creating circumstances to be at odds with the establishment
karachi/sindh at odds with islamabad = balkanisation of pakistan
a four year term of that and who will be willing to be a patriot of the whole of pakistan?
The only solution to this is through effective political discourse and national participation. Mohajirs are overwhelmingly patriotic Pakistanis and so are Sindhis. The danger is MQM, parttly because instead of claiming to represent some backwater part of the country it claims to represent a cosmopolitan, educated segment of the society as say opposed to say JUI (also mush's loyal bedmates). But I doubt if MQM has the same sanding in Karachi as it did b4. I think it started loosing popularity long before. But presently, it is reduced to a few notorious urban inner city persons who are more personality cult loyalists (God knows why) than anything else.
I personally believe, most will go for an alternative if given a chance. MMA, MQM, PMLQ...one could write quite a poetic expose` on this bandwagon.
That said, I believe any unwarranted rhetoric of suspicion toward one compatriots will further issues of mistrust than solving them.
The only solution to this is through effective political discourse and national participation. Mohajirs are overwhelmingly patriotic Pakistanis and so are Sindhis. The danger is MQM, parttly because instead of claiming to represent some backwater part of the country it claims to represent a cosmopolitan, educated segment of the society as say opposed to say JUI (also mush's loyal bedmates). But I doubt if MQM has the same sanding in Karachi as it did b4. I think it started loosing popularity long before. But presently, it is reduced to a few notorious urban inner city persons who are more personality cult loyalists (God knows why) than anything else.
I personally believe, most will go for an alternative if given a chance. MMA, MQM, PMLQ...one could write quite a poetic expose` on this bandwagon.
That said, I believe any unwarranted rhetoric of suspicion toward one compatriots will further issues of mistrust than solving them.
I think...
If continued to carry on these politicians across the board will innovate new reasons for people to hate each others.....therefore we should stop flirting with the idea of democracy in Pakistan till the time masses are educated and civilized.....and given lessons in co-existence and tolerence....and support a China like system of governace by technocrats.....otherwise all the diversity in our country will become our nightmare>>>
If continued to carry on these politicians across the board will innovate new reasons for people to hate each others.....therefore we should stop flirting with the idea of democracy in Pakistan till the time masses are educated and civilized.....and given lessons in co-existence and tolerence....and support a China like system of governace by technocrats.....otherwise all the diversity in our country will become our nightmare>>>
I disagree, I think Jinnah had it right. allow open and free discourse. i believe to some extent we already have that in pakistan. even individuals like asma jehangir too are part of it. china is not an example for us to follow. irionically the best example if any is the United States (or atleast the spirit of the US before it became this monstrosity) and UK. China is a very close society, millions have perished in it, we don't want that for Pakistan. China is heading towards where Pakistan too should be heading.
We should focus on strengthening our institutions, the judiciary, the parliament, the election commission, the media, the civil society. This wave of outrage, anger and awareness among the pakistani polity is what we need to seize upon.
So naive. You have not really seen much of Pakistan beyond the borders of Punjab have you? I would introduce to you diverging opinions on the net, but I don't want to upset you too much.
Your so confused.. Its ok, your an MQM supporter so im not surprised.
Actually I was born in Karachi.. Have family still living in Sanghur area... So shows what little you know.
Maybe you ought to leave Karachi... I doubt you or your family have left your little MQM ghetto since you got there..
I could introduce you to diverging oppinions that would upset you, but I dont want that:(
What could you introduce me to? I doubt you know anyone, or are friends with anyone who isnt Mqm...
Dignity of pakistan comes from beheading it's soldiers and blowing up civilians? You're a funny guy. Neocon is an American term for Americans and even they don't use it as often anymore.
No genius, it comes from respecting the people of PAKISTAN and her constitution.. It means respecting those who stand for the rights of the people and her laws...
What would someone like you, who is in perpetual conflict with everyone and supports a person who is an admitted traitor know about dignity anyway?
I used to advocate rule of law and supremacy of institutions....We all got carried away by the events of last few months and people like Imran made us dream.....candle light vigils were being used as a way of protesting.....people were putting flowers outside defiant judges residences.....we all believed Pakistani nation is now matured......can stand above the politics of religious/ethnic hate....
But all this was done by a few elite/educated class.....the masses in a matter of hours brought us back to reality......by setting ablaze everything which came in their way (big contrast to candle lights)....
People will continue to elect criminal and hate mongers.....they want people in power who can assisst them with their crimes.....thana kutchery stuff....no decent man has any chance of getting elected.....It's high time we should come back to reality.....
I am visiting China regularly for last 12 years and saw it transforming......their system is a big danda for trouble makers......I think is the only system for an over populated jahil population.....
Let's not get carried away by western democratic models.....all the guppers here come from educated/elite class who have lost touch with ground reality in Pakistan....
Your so confused.. Its ok, your an MQM supporter so im not surprised.
Actually I was born in Karachi.. Have family still living in Sanghur area... So shows what little you know.
Maybe you ought to leave Karachi... I doubt you or your family have left your little MQM ghetto since you got there..
I could introduce you to diverging oppinions that would upset you, but I dont want that:(
What could you introduce me to? I doubt you know anyone, or are friends with anyone who isnt Mqm...
Don't worry she is closer to Pakistan politics than we are....she lives in reality, we don't....she is not the only supporter of hate mongers.....if it is not ethnic it will become religious......or they will innovate new reasons to hate.....she represents the masses in our country.....and these are the people who will get elected in a democratic system in Pakistan>>>>
I used to advocate rule of law and supremacy of institutions....We all got carried away by the events of last few months and people like Imran made us dream.....candle light vigils were being used as a way of protesting.....people were putting flowers outside defiant judges residences.....we all believed Pakistani nation is now matured......can stand above the politics of religious/ethnic hate....
But all this was done by a few elite/educated class.....the masses in a matter of hours brought us back to reality......by setting ablaze everything which came in their way (big contrast to candle lights)....
People will continue to elect criminal and hate mongers.....they want people in power who can assisst them with their crimes.....thana kutchery stuff....no decent man has any chance of getting elected.....It's high time we should come back to reality.....
I am visiting China regularly for last 12 years and saw it transforming......their system is a big danda for trouble makers......I think is the only system for an over populated jahil population.....
Let's not get carried away by western democratic models.....all the guppers here come from educated/elite class who have lost touch with ground reality in Pakistan....
Maybe, but Pak has never worked with a danda... Mush tried danda in Balochistan and the situstion still hasnt settled.. He tried the same thing in Fata, and that didnt work either. He tried it against the Lawyers and the CJ and the country is still in turmoil... He might be able to stay in power by force, pur sukoon nahi milay gah...
Its easy to be a cynic when it comes to Pak offcourse, but there are only two paths to take.. One will lead to democracy and the rule of law, the other to anarchy, and the balkanization of the country... I dont think there is a middle path. Either one can come about eventually, so its still 50/50 chance.
Don't worry she is closer to Pakistan politics than we are....she lives in reality, we don't....she is not the only supporter of hate mongers.....if it is not ethnic it will become religious......or they will innovate new reasons to hate.....she represents the masses in our country.....and these are the people who will get elected in a democratic system in Pakistan>>>>