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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
The religion that was taught to these tribes came from the books of the Pakistani Army. Don't act dumb, for once, please.
Oh, the reasons why the Hadiths are reserved for Pakistani Army is because we expect the Pakistani Army to act like or acording Islam. If they are pretending to be Muslims from the pure nation of Muslims, Pakistan ka matlab kya laillahillala, then it is something to be worried about.
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HAtred for wana operation is increasing in pak army also.......things will get worst....
the fatwa is ....tribal men killed in operation are shuhdah...pak army ?.....
and the arabs there are not alqaedah ppl..they are those arabs that were doing aid work in afghanistan uptill taliban times....
I forgot to add one thing mAd_ScIeNtIsT; many of these cluster bombs are operated by people who are locals of that region. Make sure they don't drop it on the wrong place ;- )
pak army men are also Shaheed, they are doing what the leaders tell them to. Like I said before, I wouldn't want to be in any of their shoes. Be it the Tribes or the Army men.
This paper work was done by a Pakistani Pakhtun. Can’t remember his name…though just look at the tribes he mentioned, all are Pakistani, that should be enough.
YAW WAYE KANDAHARAI YAM, BAL WAYE PAKTYAWAL YAM, NIGRAHARAI YAM, BAL WAYE PEKHAWARAI YAM
AGHA ZHABA DEE GUNGAI SHE CHE WAYE MONG KE JUDAYE DA
DA LOYA BADBAKHTEY DAA
Spock those are the lines from a poem describing our current situation. it goes like this...
"one says i am Kandaharian, the other says i am Paktyawal, another Nigraharey, and one says i am Peshawarey
that tongue which says that there is distinction among us shall become.....
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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
pak army men are also Shaheed, they are doing what the leaders tell them to. Like I said before, I wouldn't want to be in any of their shoes. Be it the Tribes or the Army men.
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if your are right then that meant yazid army's men who were kill fighting against hazrt hussian in karbla where shaheed too. right
What we are witnessing today is what happened in 71 where Pakistan army alienated the Benaglis and lost the war. And in the 90's, when Pakistan army tried to destroy the MQM through force, yet today MQM is part of the government of Sindh and remains third largest party in Pakistan. And now, pakistan army is flaming the fuels of pashtun nationalism, which will sooner or later lead to breakup of pakistan.
How much more evidence does one need that pak army is the real enemey of pakistan, not kafirs or any other imaginary foes.
But there will be some who will contineu to be blind and blame india, jews, americans, but not their own army generals.
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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
I forgot to add one thing mAd_ScIeNtIsT; many of these cluster bombs are operated by people who are locals of that region. Make sure they don't drop it on the wrong place ;- )
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lol bro, guys be carefull. we are not good in using weapons so they might fire missiles towards Lahore thinking its Khyber.
But it was ok for the Afghan mujahadeen to get aid and weapons from the "kuffar" during the 1980's? What sort of Muslims do you consider the Afghan groups including the Taliban who slaughtered tens of thosuands of their own people, during the civil war after 1992?
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I remember answering your question in another thread, these are some verses that might help you in understanding the Islamic perspective on this issue, and like I mentioned in one of my earlier posts in that thread, there are certain prerequisites in order for one to understand the Book of Allah, which you can find in the first few verses of the second chapter of the Quran.
Bismillahirahmaneraheem
49:9 If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other, then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies, then make peace between them with justice, and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just).
49:010 The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy.
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But it was ok for the Afghan mujahadeen to get aid and weapons from the "kuffar" during the 1980's? What sort of Muslims do you consider the Afghan groups including the Taliban who slaughtered tens of thosuands of their own people, during the civil war after 1992?
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everytime when i see uz talking about us, uz would blame Taliban for what happened. though you never mention their commanders where they were being commanded from to commit such crimes.
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**Malik 73*
everytime when i see uz talking about us, uz would blame Taliban for what happened. though you never mention their commanders where they were being commanded from to commit such crimes.
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Aryan, I thought you always said Afghans/Pashtuns are proud and independent people who take orders from now one? Now you are saying they do?
The fact remains that it was the Afghans that killed their own people in the tens of thousands throughout the 1990's after the end of the jihad against the communists.
Even before the WANA operations began there were schools blown up in these regions just recently. I hope that the Pak military doesn't have to unleash it's full might on it's own people but if these people think foreign fugitives are more important than their own then there won't be any choice. All those hollering about Afghan pride should realise that so many Pashtuns are now living in prosperity and equality in major cities in Punjab and Sindh. Those people have more pride than you.
FATA and waziristan do not constitute the entire NWFP and Baluchistan. Do you honestly think anyone in this provice would like to become part of a dwindling, war trodden nation? They would rather be part of a country that is actually travelling forward in time.
those foriegners where in Wana since the soviet jihad, what "crimes" were they doing that were so bad that it neccesated the use of pakistan army to kill muslims? i do not see any evidence of any "Crime" that those people did that was "anti state" it seems like the excuse of elusvie WMD of the nazi fascist american right. first tell us what the crimes were and then we can talk if the tribals are right or wrong. as of now, pakistan army started to confiscated their vehicles, bulldoze their shops and homes almost a month ago. it was only now that the tribals said enough and fought back. read the news from the region and you will know what is the reality.
yeah we are independent spirited people, though it’s not our whole Tribesmen who obey the foreigners. there are only a few bad and unworthy people of being "Pashtuns who do obey them and commit crimes aganst their own people for the sake of others.
and again i shall mention my Proud.
Who made us enemies among ourselves? for sure u wont mention Pakistan having hand in this. it was all the neighbouring countries who don’t want us in peace, cuz in past they have been ruled by us.
yes at least they would have a respected life among their own blood brothers. i am a 100 % sure that FATA would be the territory that would emerge with their real country of Afghanistan. :insha: this is going to happen in a very near future.
No, thats based on your speculations alone, and that doesnt matter. They are happy with Pakistan. As for Afghanistan, before thinking of invading Pakistan, do have a look at the sad state of affairs the country is in, LET ALONE TRYING TO TAKE OVER PAKISTANI TERRITORY BEATING SUPERIOR PAKISTANI FORCES Why dont you invent a time machine, leave AUSTRALIA, transport yourself back to the 50s, maybe you can help the Soviets and the Indians trying to pump up the pakhtunistan campaign Its 2004 now, no such thing exists.
I heard some 100 plus foriegners were arrested today, this vindicates our stance. All this scum trying to hide in our areas should be taught a lesson they would never forget. And yes Spoon, majority of the tribes are now assisting the Pak army
Compare with this fact and then point fingers at others and justify your criminal acts.
In 1971 the self-appointed President of Pakistan and Commander-in-Chief of the Army, General Agha Mohammed Yahya Khan and his top generals prepared a careful and systematic military, economic, and political operation in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). They also planned to murder its Bengali intellectual, cultural, and political elite. They also planned to indiscriminately murder hundreds of thousands of its Hindus and drive the rest into India. And they planned to destroy its economic base to insure that it would be subordinate to West Pakistan for at least a generation to come. This despicable and cutthroat plan was outright genocide.
After a well organized military buildup in East Pakistan the military launched its campaign. No more than 267 days later they had **succeeded in killing perhaps 1,500,000 people, created 10,000,000 refugees who had fled to India, provoked a war with India, incited a counter-genocide of 150,000 non-Bengalis, and lost East Pakistan. **
This democide is listed in Table 8.1 (lines 26 to 30), which gives an overview of Pakistan’s war-dead and democide from 1958 to 1987, the period over which Pakistan has had authoritarian rule, usually military governments. There have been periods without martial law, constitutions have been drawn up, and elections have been held. But these were hardly open and fair, democratic rights and liberties were still absent, and the military still largely controlled major policy from behind the scenes.
we are independent spirited people, though it’s not our whole Tribesmen who obey the foreigners. there are only a few bad and unworthy people of being "Pashtuns who do obey them and commit crimes aganst their own people for the sake of others.
Why dont you invent a time machine, leave AUSTRALIA, transport yourself back to the 50s, maybe you can help the Soviets and the Indians trying to pump up the pakhtunistan campaign 
Its 2004 now, no such thing exists.