I didn’t assume you were Punjabi, I just said if people can speak Punjabi on this board then why not Pashto?
As far as I am concerned, I said they are Afghans, and that doesn’t necessarily mean they are nationals of Afghanistan. Anyways I don’t want to get into that, I can’t help people who got locks on their minds.
The rest, you are just confusing yourself.
you expect the tribals to remain sitting idle, while watching the army killing their children...
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expect their apologists to come in here praising their efforts and calling Mushy a traitor.. they forget that millions of Pakistanis are tired of this s$it and want the Tribal areas to clean house or get ready for some house cleaning..
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Cause and Effect..very sad.. :(
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More like excuses, excuses on your part. Why no condemnation now when the tribals are bombing schools and aiming missiles at their fellow Pashtuns?
What cause and effect is there for the chauvinist, extremist tribal and even terrorist mentality of some elders in the FATA region, who would rather look after foreign terrorists ratheR than their own people, and bomb their fellow Pashtuns in NWFP?
Exactly. :k:
Btw, where is that so-called Pashtun solidarity and Muslim brotherhood of the FATA tribals that we are always told about? Here they are bombing their fellow Pashtun/Muslims in NWFP, and wanting to kill little children.
An absolutely despicable act. If this kind of violence continues from the tribal areas, then they must be brought to heel.
Pakistan has far greater firepower than the British Imperial army ever did. We have larger, more powerful, more accurate artillery, we have cluster bombs, we have bombers that can carry 16,000 lbs of explosives, we have tanks, we have napalm ... tribes that refuse to come under the heel of Pakistan's government authority, tribes that carry out attacks against Pakistan must be crushed and forced to give allegiance to Pakistan!!!
Let's see how well these tribesmen can continue to rebel when pasted with Pakistani cluster bombs ;)
Of course, those tribes (and it does appear to be the majority) who have submitted to government authority should receive much additional investment into their areas from the Federal Government, investments planned in close coordination with tribal leaders so that the tribes receive exactly what they want. They have demonstrated their loyalty and must be duly and justly rewarded for it.
Thos who rebel though, should be met with the penalty for it - the unleashing of the full power of Pakistan's armed forces. Well... nearly full. Now's not the time (yet) to start nuking tribesmen. ;)
Read these all those who call themselves Muslims, for these are the words of Allah :swt: and His final Messenger…They tell you of what rights your brother has upon you and what punishment is there for failing to fulfill those rights…
**Allah (s.w.t.) said: The Believers are not else than brothers [Al-Qur’an: Al-Hujurat (49:10)].
Allah (s.w.t.) also said: And you became brothers because of His bounty [Al-Qur’an: Al `Imran (3:103)].
Allah (s.w.t.) said: (the believers are) merciful among themselves [Al-Qur’an: Al-Fath (48:29)].
The Prophet (s.a.w.) said: The Muslim is a brother to the Muslim. He does not do wrong to him, does not forsake him, and does not betray him. (Muslim).
From Anas : Rasulullah saw said : "By Him in whose hand is my soul, a servant (of Allah) does not believe (truly) until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself ". ( Bukhari, Muslim )
From Abu Ayyub al-Anshari : Rasulullah saw said : " It is not right for a man to abandon his brother for more than three days". ( Bukhari, Muslim )
(32). Ibn Mas’ud ra said that Rasulullah saw said : “Abusing a Muslim is sinful, and fighting (making war, qital) with him is (tantamount to) kufr.” ( Bukhari, Muslim )
(76) Abu Huraira r.a. reported that Rasulullah s.a.w. said : It is not lawful for a believer to forsake a believer beyond three days, and whosoever does so more than three days and then dies, shall enter the Hell. ( Abu Dawud )**
Today, Muslims are willing to snatch Muslims from their homes, demolish their homes and make their children orphans and their wives widows…Brothers, if you cannot have the courage to to fight for your brother then at least speak up about it, if you cannot even do that than at least find it reprehensible in your hearts…
Remember Allah :swt: well, your every breath is His creation and every morsel that enters your mouth is His to give…Remember the day when you shall stand face to face with your Creator and He confronts you with your deeds, and fear His great anger when He punishes you for turning in your Muslim brother to the Kuffar…At that moment, those who lifted their voices and weapons against Muslims who fight in the way of Allah will not be Muslims anymore and will fare pain upon pain for their treachery…
Insert a pin in your palm and feel its pain…Be ready to face the ultimate pain, not the pain of the flesh but of the soul if you choose to become rebellious to your brother and to Allah :swt:…
The words I have quoted above, there should be no doubt as Muslims in your hearts, that InshAllah, the traitors will have a grievous eternity to spend…
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(32). Ibn Mas'ud ra said that Rasulullah saw said : "Abusing a Muslim is sinful, and fighting (making war, qital) with him is (tantamount to) kufr." ( Bukhari, Muslim )
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Indeed - it's a pity that these foreigners and their local allies did not abide by this before attacking and killing Pakistani troops in the area. :(
How can a Muslim be a foreigner in a Muslim land? All this visa passport crap between Muslim nations started when we started following the Kuffar…If you read Ibn Battuta’s travels, you’d see how a Islamic dominion lived and thrived, because it was the ‘fundos’ who were in power and kept the Muslims strong…It was after the arrival of pathetic apostate Muslims like Ata Turk and the Shahs and those that were formed from the droppings of the Kuffar that the Bait-ul-Islam started to divide and form boundaries…
Today, when Muslims seek sanctuary from the Kuffar in Muslim lands and houses, they are hunted down…
Reminds me of the Jews, that when a tribe of Jews was being persecuted by the Romans, the other Jews used to lock their houses so that no Jew from the other tribe should ask fo their help…
We are not Jews, we are Muslims, and as such it is our duty to protect and harbor other Muslims who have escaped or are escaping persecution…Allah :swt: will hold us accountable whether we did what America ordered or we did what Allah ordered…With whom would you trust your soul and Aakhira…It’s a matter of realizing what is real and what’s not…
Very well, by foreigners I meant non-Pakistanis. The fact is, every time since late 2001 when Pakistan has sent forces to arrest (not attack) these non-Pakistanis, it’s ended up with Pakistani forces coming under fire and killed by them.
There are armed people in Pakistan, in the FATA, who are not submitting to the government’s authority, and the government has a duty to resolve this and handle this rebellion against authority.
Or are you suggetsing the government should do nothing at all about armed militias present in Pakistan engaging in military activites that run counter to the government’s policies?
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How can a Muslim be a foreigner in a Muslim land? All this visa passport crap between Muslim nations started when we started following the Kuffar...
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But it was ok for the Afghan mujahadeen to get aid and weapons from the "kuffar" during the 1980's? What sort of Muslims do you consider the Afghan groups including the Taliban who slaughtered tens of thosuands of their own people, during the civil war after 1992?
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I didn't assume you were Punjabi, I just said if people can speak Punjabi on this board then why not Pashto?
As far as I am concerned, I said they are Afghans, and that doesn't necessarily mean they are nationals of Afghanistan. Anyways I don’t want to get into that, I can't help people who got locks on their minds.
The rest, you are just confusing yourself.
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It is you who are confused Soori, you guys cant even bare to realize that Peshwar lies in Afghanistan, talk about confusion. It is about time you let this idiotic attitude of racial superiority go. And yes, if you think they are Afghans, why dont they move to Afghanistan? Afghans are a seperate entity, a seperate nation, and NWFP is a part of Pakistan, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. The few that like to harbour terrorists and show their mahmannawazi to trouble makers would soon be taken out, and lets hope FATA is civilized in the process. With the world progressing ahead, isnt it surprising to see these areas going back in time as we speak.
for your info, pakistani army started killing tribals, mostly civillians before they started revolting...
our army can only attack its own civillians, thinking of india and us shivers them...
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Indeed - it's a pity that these foreigners and their local allies did not abide by this before attacking and killing Pakistani troops in the area. :(
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Very well, by foreigners I meant non-Pakistanis. The fact is, every time since late 2001 when Pakistan has sent forces to arrest (not attack) these non-Pakistanis, it's ended up with Pakistani forces coming under fire and killed by them.
There are armed people in Pakistan, in the FATA, who are not submitting to the government's authority, and the government has a duty to resolve this and handle this rebellion against authority.
Or are you suggetsing the government should do nothing at all about armed militias present in Pakistan engaging in military activites that run counter to the government's policies?
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I think the 'authorities' in Pakistan should submit to ULTIMATE AUTHORITY instead of taking orders from 'Foreigners' in the first place. By carrying out these actions on the behest of their foreign masters they have lost all the Credibility that they are doing it for Pakistan. Why now? Why they did not think of imposing their authority for fifty odd years?
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But it was ok for the Afghan mujahadeen to get aid and weapons from the "kuffar" during the 1980's? What sort of Muslims do you consider the Afghan groups including the Taliban who slaughtered tens of thosuands of their own people, during the civil war after 1992?
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Of course it is not right happened - they too, will be accounted for their actions as much as the 'authorities' in Pakistan will have have to answer for being 'slaves to their masters'. There is no escape for anyone from the HIGHIEST COURT!
why are all the hadiths and religious edicts reserved for the Pakistan army? the tribals can learn to read first and then read what their religion says about not creating 'fitna' in the land and be subservient to the government.. i.e if they still want to live in that la la land most of the dated religious texts talk about.. caliphs and all..
Otherwise, this is 2004.. if anyone hasn't noticed.. there is no such Dar-al-Harab or Dar-al-Aman.. we live in Pakistan.. there is a declared border.. you are either in it or out of it.. if you're in it.. you're a Pakistani.. u live by the law.
If you don't, you are a law breaker.. if you claim not to accept the law, the law must be shoved into you with all military might from all orifices possible to make you see the light.
Every crook, criminal and smuggler commits crimes and operates from the umbrella of that region.. a cleanup is loooong overdue.
Every crook, criminal and smuggler commits crimes and operates from the umbrella of that region.. a cleanup is loooong overdue
A gross exaggeration..you have plenty of criminals sitting in Islamabad who seem immune to clean ups and as far as smuggling the bulk is done through bonded warehouses which are linked to big shots in Pakistans ruling establishment.
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**why are all the hadiths and religious edicts reserved for the Pakistan army? *
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Exactly, and where were they when the Afghan groups were enagaged in a civil war after 1992, which killed tens of thousands of Afghan Muslims?
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It is you who are confused Soori, you guys cant even bare to realize that Peshwar lies in Afghanistan, talk about confusion. It is about time you let this idiotic attitude of racial superiority go. And yes, if you think they are Afghans, why dont they move to Afghanistan? Afghans are a seperate entity, a seperate nation, and NWFP is a part of Pakistan, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. The few that like to harbour terrorists and show their mahmannawazi to trouble makers would soon be taken out, and lets hope FATA is civilized in the process. With the world progressing ahead, isnt it surprising to see these areas going back in time as we speak.
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I never said Peshawar was in Afghanistan, one, you are confused.
I never had or have racial superiority, two, you are confused.
Afghan is ethnicity, doesn’t necessarily have to be nationality, all major Pakhto poets from Pakistan call themselves in their poems Afghan, three, you are confused.
FATA will remain the way it is, the British couldn’t do it, the Soviets couldn’t reach it, four, you are confused.
Now go ahead and find all those comments you are claiming that I stated, and then ask the Admin to verify the IP. Once that is done, shut your hole for good.
Shaloom
btw, spock, aren't you tired of being the a** of every thread?
MAD SCIENTIST
**Let’s see how well these tribesmen can continue to rebel when pasted with Pakistani cluster bombs **
this is really offensive, i am offended by what you have said. :mad3:
take ur bullcrap. man ur air power or whateva u proud of wont work on us. we are the CHOSEN victors. :insha: GOD is on goods side.
those ARMY personnels backed by KUFARS will have a thwarting defeat.
indeed you will see the reality very soon.
Spock
bro i neva have and neva will consider NWFP and Baluchistan a part of ur country. its the reality, you cant just divide us and rule. we have to be together and ri\uled by ourselves. Afghan refferes to Pashtun, i know uz always make discrepancy among us but thats not the certainty.
though if u dont believe me, u can go and have a look at the word AFGHAN in the folloing link i provide JUST for you to consider that there is no distinction between AFGHAN and PASHTUN.
The true meaning of the word AFGHAN
The religion that was taught to these tribes came from the books of the Pakistani Army. Don't act dumb, for once, please.
Oh, the reasons why the Hadiths are reserved for Pakistani Army is because we expect the Pakistani Army to act like or acording Islam. If they are pretending to be Muslims from the pure nation of Muslims, Pakistan ka matlab kya laillahillala, then it is something to be worried about.
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why are all the hadiths and religious edicts reserved for the Pakistan army? the tribals can learn to read first and then read what their religion says about not creating 'fitna' in the land and be subservient to the government.. i.e if they still want to live in that la la land most of the dated religious texts talk about.. caliphs and all..
Otherwise, this is 2004.. if anyone hasn't noticed.. there is no such Dar-al-Harab or Dar-al-Aman.. we live in Pakistan.. there is a declared border.. you are either in it or out of it.. if you're in it.. you're a Pakistani.. u live by the law.
If you don't, you are a law breaker.. if you claim not to accept the law, the law must be shoved into you with all military might from all orifices possible to make you see the light.
Every crook, criminal and smuggler commits crimes and operates from the umbrella of that region.. a cleanup is loooong overdue.
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Riigggght :- ) Sure, why not, and then lets have India and Iran who would love to join the party support the tribes, and maybe soon the United States will also, after all Pakistan is going to be declared a risk to international security, wether Pakistan helps the US or not. The generals are saving their behinds. All Mushy is doing is buying more time till the elections, if Bush goes, joy joy Mushy, but that is unlikely.
Hmm I wonder if these comments can be saved, and then published/sent to the people of FATA and so they can see how their honor and way of life is preserved by you people, their brothers, in Islam and nationhood.
Du beghairato ta Khudai bombmoona se wral kral chi nan zan ta teez mar khanan wayee.
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Let's see how well these tribesmen can continue to rebel when pasted with Pakistani cluster bombs ;)
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