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Scepticism greets Pakistan ‘success’
The Pakistan government has declared its 12-day military offensive in South Waziristan on the border with Afghanistan a success and withdrawn several thousand troops from the troubled Azam Warsak area.
The troops, however, will remain in the regional capital, Wana, for further operations against al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects, and Pakistani tribesmen co-operating with them.
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On Monday, military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan claimed an intelligence chief by the name of “Abdullah” in Osama Bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network was among those killed in the operation.
However, there was widespread scepticism about the identity of this man because such a name has not figured much in the list of top al-Qaeda operatives.
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Like this claim, **other successes claimed by the government ministers and spokesmen in the South Waziristan operation have also been received with scepticism in view of the military’s failure to capture any of the so-called “high-value targets”.
Let-down
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Indeed, President Pervez Musharraf’s reference to the likely presence of a “high-value target” in the area earlier fuelled speculation that Bin Laden or his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri might be hiding there.
The international media that flocked to Pakistan to cover the event was disappointed when it became obvious that the al-Qaeda leaders were not in the area.
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There was not much to celebrate when the Pakistan Army regulars and the paramilitary Frontier Corps pulled out from the 50-sq-km (20-sq-mile) area that had been cordoned off for 12 days to nab the so-called “foreign terrorists” and Pakistani tribesmen accused of sheltering al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects.
Of the 150 or so people who lost their lives in the fighting, around 60 were soldiers.
The high casualty figure - despite the superior military resources and the aerial support enjoyed by the Pakistan Army - was unexpected and could have a demoralising effect on the soldiers’ morale in future.
By employing classic guerrilla tactics, the militants inflicted losses on the army and militia and broke the siege with help from the local tribes.
In the end, the government had to ask tribal elders and religious scholars to intervene in securing the release of 12 paramilitary soldiers made hostage by the militants.
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The **government is also claiming to have captured an unspecified number of “foreign terrorists” and killed another 18.
None of them have been shown to the press, thereby creating doubt about the figures.
The 163 suspects who were arrested were mostly villagers and it appears that majority of them will have to be released in due course of time. **
**Civilians killed
A bigger concern is the high number of civilian deaths in the military operation.
Thousands of people were displaced, properties were damaged and homes were looted.
Any goodwill that the tribal people had for the military was lost as a result of the suffering of the civilian population.
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President Musharraf’s political opponents also opposed the military offensive in South Waziristan.
From the secular Pakistan People’s Party of Benazir Bhutto to former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League, and from the nationalists to the Islamist MMA, all political parties demanded an end to the military operation and some even threatened to stage a march to South Waziristan to record their protest.
Many politicians and the public at large believed the military offensive was launched at the behest of the US government.
President Musharraf and his Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Jamali have fulfilled their commitment to be on the side of the US and its allies in the war on terrorism.
But it has became obvious that they were under tremendous pressure from the domestic opposition not to send troops to fight fellow Pakistani Muslims in South Waziristan and other tribal regions bordering Afghanistan.
i am really sorry to let you know that PASHTUNISTAN issue is not death yet, it will live on untill we are united. 
Karzai in one of his statement said that we will succeed in uniting with our blood brothers of Pashtunistan. in current Afghan government there are more than 50 Tribal candidates representing the Afghans of FATA 
, now how wuld like that…how could someone would not want to live with their brothers? now thats the same here…we have been divided and we shuld unite…thats all we are hoping and praying GOd for…
and who is ABDUL QADEER KHAN? hmm maybe a Punjabi…no no ..he is a Afghan from Yousefzai tribe… 
and who is Imran Khan? duno…offcourse jealous..cuz youz have no famouse personality…he is from the Niazi tribe of Afghans…
YOu Pakistanis are using us for ur own interests…uz neva send ur army to fight in Kashmir..its always my FATA tribesmen who go there and lliberate our muslim brother while on the media Pakistan claim that victory as of theirs…
Long Live Islam!
Long Live Afghan/Pashtun Pride!
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
Long Live Islam!
Long Live Afghan/Pashtun Pride!
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You forgot to add:
Long Live Racism.
Long Live Secertainism
Long Live Hatred
Long Live Pipedreams
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
Karzai in one of his statement said that we will succeed in uniting with our blood brothers of Pashtunistan.
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First you support the Taliban.
Then you support Karzai, who hates the Taliban.
This is all about your ethnic pride, not Islam.
why do u have to be so cruel, why don’t you want us to unite..huh..wats wrong you broad minded people. i am pretty sure thats what uz would have done if uz were divided like us. and thats got noting to do with racism its the love i have for our people..got it…and i do NOT hate any race or ethnic just cuz they are bad to us…i leave it all up to God:swt: to decide whats good for us and whats bad.
i never supported them as a government..i sustained them just cuz they were Afghans/Pashtuns. and i still do in that sense.
i support Karzai for the same reason.
and you are right its my national or Tribal Pride, well almighty God has given all this Proud and i shuld have some respevt for it. and never involve ur religion is such matters. religious proud is difference thn national they shuld not be held up as one.
Islamic & Afghan/Pashtun Pride!
Because according to Islam. There is no punjabi, no behari, no javan etc. We are muslim. If you place your blood relations over that of your religion and its people you arent muslim. It is that simple.
You support hatred. You support the destruction of 2 Islamic states to create your own based on racial superiority. There was a man who thought the same. He is known as Hitler.
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
i sustained them just cuz they were Afghans/Pashtuns. and i still do in that sense. i support Karzai for the same reason.
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Yes, as I said your ethnic pride comes before anything else, even Islam.
Shponkai, can't you go find some Afghan site to talk up your Afghan pride? Why do you come here posting your pics on a Paki Image Gallery (assuming they are yours)
yeah very good, now it is crystal clear that you PUNJABIS dont want us to be your piece (noting we wish for). i am a Peshawari Afghan, got it. and i came here cuz ur punjabis come to Pashto sites and write bad stuff about us..
nwayz u shuld be happy that i am posting here..otherwise why would a Pashtun come here…
CM, remember Pakistan first, we are muslims afterwards...thats what musharraf has been propagating...by the way how will two islamic states be destroyed, pashtuns might leave one muslim country pakistan for another...one of the same thing...
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*Originally posted by CM: *
Because according to Islam. There is no punjabi, no behari, no javan etc. We are muslim. If you place your blood relations over that of your religion and its people you arent muslim. It is that simple.
You support hatred. You support the destruction of 2 Islamic states to create your own based on racial superiority. There was a man who thought the same. He is known as Hitler.
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God bless Pakistan. 
good for you…but now i know the reality..i rely on my Afghan brothers…
Long Live Afghanistan!
The Prophet said, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam:
"Whoever prides himself in the affiliations of Jaahileeyah, let him bite his fathers private part and do not speak to him."
Usually the scholars say that affiliations of Jaahileeyah refers to tribalism, racism, nationalism, etc.
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*Originally posted by umar001: *
The Prophet said, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam:
"Whoever prides himself in the affiliations of Jaahileeyah, let him bite his fathers private part and do not speak to him."
Usually the scholars say that affiliations of Jaahileeyah refers to tribalism, racism, nationalism, etc.
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how about you go and say the same thing to those Pakistanis who are forcing us to this nationalism *hit. mashallah i have more knowledge than you do, so there is no need for telling me about that.
Youre a sad case. So when is central australia becoming Pashtunistan?
**Aryan…
I think living in Australia u have forgot how the pathans treat u lot in NWFP, You people(Afghanis ->whether pashtun or not) are despised in NWFP.
In NWFP , From the bus conductor to the police constable every one has specific slurs for u lot .
For example.
“Get lost u mohajir” and many more which cant be mentioned on this BB.
No wonder you people have found a sanctuary in Islamabad , Lahore, etc (Punjab).
So it totally baffles me when you try to rally support for NWFP being a part of Afghanistan.
The pathans of NWFP , neither want you , nor Afghanistan.
Please take yourself, Afghanistan, and your famous begging bowl somewhere else , you wont get anything here.
Thank You!**
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*Originally posted by underthecross: *
**Aryan…
I think living in Australia u have forgot how the pathans treat u lot in NWFP, You people(Afghanis ->whether pashtun or not) are despised in NWFP.
In NWFP , From the bus conductor to the police constable every one has specific slurs for u lot .
For example.
“Get lost u mohajir” and many more which cant be mentioned on this BB.
No wonder you people have found a sanctuary in Islamabad , Lahore, etc (Punjab).
So it totally baffles me when you try to rally support for NWFP being a part of Afghanistan.
The pathans of NWFP , neither want you , nor Afghanistan.
Please take yourself, Afghanistan, and your famous begging bowl somewhere else , you wont get anything here.
Thank You!**
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lol where did u pull out this from ......
i tell u we r not like that....the real Afghans are treated a 1000 times better than u lot in any part of Pashtun society..so there you go.
"Get lost Mohajir" it was only those cookhead who said that...not a single good Afghan/Pashtun would say this to anoda Afghan/Pashtun.
The Afghans of Pashtunistan Neither wants YOU, nor want to be governed by YOUS. they obviously want their own ppl ruling them.
ahhaha...i know well..i know WHO begs and who rules.
Durrand Line DOES NOT exist in our hearts, it was to DIVIDE us and WEAKEN us, but now is the time for it to be brought back into how it was b4 1890...inshallah u'll see it very very soon...in ATTOCK i will be standing with a AFGHAN flag in my hand...cheering our indendence..
woooooohooooooo....
What are you doing in Australia then? Go to Attock and proclaim your “indendence”. 
ohohohohhhhh so funny i pised myself…
be there at Attock, i am coming there this November. I SWEAR by GOD i will hold a Afghan flag there, cuz where eva Pashtun lives that area must have a AFGHAN flag.
and also the INDEPENDENCE will be attained as well, so making fun of PASHTUN spirit is not going to give you anything rather you would face hardships.
WERKO TARARE DE MALYE KAMARBANDONA JANG TA ZEE DA PAKTYA ( PASHTO ) DA ZHANO SABA LASHKAR DAY
you gota figured out its meaning byuself if u want to know what it means…