thank you shaukat aziz

this thread will be only useful to those who can read graphs.

graph 1: performance of kse index during the decade of democracy from 1990-99

graph 2: performance of kse index under musharraf i.e. from 2000 to about now.

so why should pakistanis be happy to see graph 2?

answer: govt of pakistan is the biggest owner of pakistani stocks. i would estimate that around 40% of market cap of kse is owned by the govt in the form of ownership stake in companies like ogdc, pso, national bank etc. under shaukat aziz’s reign, market cap of kse has risen from about $5bn to around $70bn which means that value of stocks owned by gop has gone up from around $2bn to around $30bn. essentially now, pak govt can pay off all its foreign currency debt by selling its ownership stake in pakistani companies. and this is exactly what the govt would be doing now if the ex-cj due to his jahaluth had not damaged the investment environment in pak.

shaukat aziz is the most successful corporate executive to come out of pak - sort of imran khan of the corporate world. all the bukwaas in the press against him is nothing more than display of jealousy and envy by dau takkay kay journalists whose only achievement in life would be to write for crap newspapers like dawn. criticism of shaukat aziz by in pak papers is like criticism of imran khan by tape-ball cricketers.

pakistanis complain that pak leaders are dishonest and incompetent. seeing the bukwaas spread against shaukat aziz, i realise why honest people would not want to associate with the govt. as a nation, i dont think we deserve anyone better than the likes of zardari and nawaz sharif.

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graph 2

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^ tell this wonderful news to majority of Pakistanis who have entered the elite group below poverty line during this era.. sinking earnings, sky-rocketing prices of daily commodities etc..

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not only are the majority of Pakistani not under poverty line, but the percentage of population under poverty line has decreased.

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:hmmm:so, what is their mobile telephone number?

I will ring them and ask them how is their life in ‘elite group below poverty line’ and that if they are missing ‘Geo News’ on their cable or not? I would also ask them that if their life at Rs 1200 a month in 1999 was better or if they are struggling these days on Rs 4600 a month, or not. :rolleyes:

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They would probably say some pretty nasty stuff to you and cut you off. They’d ask you if you know of a place they can go to get a bag of wheat flour. Or they might praise how Rs.4600 means having no CNG for their car that they still pay lease for regardless, or they may tell you how they have money but no food to spend it on. Then you can show 'em this graph and tell 'em ‘but your cellular phone is working’ :rolleyes:

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I doubt you’d be able to get hold of any of them cuz most of them would be standing in long lines for hours trying desperately to snatch a bag of wheat if they could find one.

In case you get hold of a lucky one, do also ask him how does it feel to live under a constant fear of suicide bombing these days?

adios!

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clearly, some people have a hard time comprehending english which is understandable given english is not our maadri zubaan and the poor state of our matric system education.

as a group, the biggest owners of shares in kse are the people of pakistan. therefore the biggest beneficiaries from rising stock market are the people of pak. there is also an indirect benefit to the govt from rise in stock market. stock markets rise when corporate profits are going up which means tax revenue is going up as well.

the next govt that comes to power can easily sell shares in pakistani companies and use the proceeds to provide food subsidies if it so desires. moreover given that pakistanis are not rich enough to fully buy shares owned by the govt, govt has no choice but to sell shares to foreigners who will only put money in pak when there is political stability. politicians by acting as jackasses are simply damaging the economy of pak.

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Friend! I hear you loud and clear and that's fine. Infact that's great for the country. However, the common man is in dire need of immediate help/support. Clearly, what i said wasn't intended towards you in any which way, though i did make a reference to the graph. I was only responding to sarcasm from another friend with a similar reply. It's a fact that people may have money, perhaps more money than before but the core issue is that people can hardly find their basic necessities fulfilled. And when you're faced with low morale of people, then no matter what the intent of Govt., it's not benefitting the middle and lower- middle class. That's the situation facing the current public of Pakistan. And that has grave consequences because people simply do not support you. I can bet you, if people are provided and cared for, they wouldn't care who comes in power. But people start to care and worry and even become agitated when the politics make everyone's life harder. Be honest! Can you (if you were in a position to) go out there and tell people what you're showing here and they'd believe you? They wouldn't. Frankly my dear, they don't give a damn. Because people are hungry. First things first, that's how the general public thinks. And Govt. has to honor that, afterall it is the people's vote that brought them there.

We need a balance, both a growth at a steady pace as well as fulfillment of basic commodities. I'm not blaming Aziz altogether. The man does have brains, no doubt. I'm blaming the certain politicians who, for their personal profits/benefits, smuggle and manipulate numbers, and it's the people that end up as losers.

I hope we're clear. :)

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:hmmm:Can’t these ‘poor elite groups’ sell their mobile and pay for wheat and their essentials what people in other country are paying, that is in open market? What I learned is that there is abundant supply for everything in open market … so why que for hours? :rolleyes:

Can you contact them on their mobile and tell them that the age is of free market and since they got pay rise of 4 times in last 8 years … from Rs 1200 to Rs 4600 … they should spend a bit paying in open market or start eating rice … learn to adopt to circumstances :slight_smile:

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Alhamdulilallah. What a fantastic performance. Long may it continue. :k:

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Bhai ... these 'may na manoo' group of journalists in sold out media would never accept what truth you mentioned.

Just because some people (certainly not on this forum ... I mean amongst journalists and others of so-called civil society :)) do not like one person (Musharraf because he is beating hell out of anti-Paksitan fasadis) and have nothing to complain (they do not like to openly say that they are fasadi supporters), these people lie and do propaganda against Pakistan based on lies. I do not know what to consider them ... very patriotic or ... completely opposite :)

Just look at some of their statements full of lies and propaganda and think (I am answering their propaganda here). Now what one can say about that. Let me point out their lies and propaganda.

During Musharraf tenure there was KSE scandals of 15 billion dollars plus.

In 1988 (when Zia died) KSE was worth around 3 billion dollars (though KSE-100 index came later, I think in 1991 ... taking it back to 1988, KSE-100 index was around 600).

After 11 years, in 1999 when Musharraf came to power, KSE was worth around 5 billion dollars (KSE index was less than 1200).

After 8 years of Musharrf rule ... in 2007 ... KSE is worth 70 billion dollars (KSE index is above 14000).

Now how can one blame a person of 15 billion dollars scandal when that person inherrited stagnant stock market going through depression ... and that was valued around 5 billion dollars ... but his government worked the economy so hard that stock market companies start doing booming businesses .... and stock market in 8 years reached 70 billion dollars level?

Best part is that, government owns most of the shares and thus in 1999 value of shares held by government was around 2 billion dollars ... that now is worth around 30 billion dollars (Nation gained 28 billion dollars from this boom) ... Divident from these shares to government also increased from less than 100 million dollars in 1999 to around 2 billion dollars in 2007 ... plus good management means government is spending less on bailing out government held run down companies .

[That is different matter that these people do not know how stock market works as if they knew they would not have said that as 15 billion dollars scandal could not have happened in Karachi stock market with such low total value ... as shares of such value (15 billion dollars) in KSE level stock market never changes hand .. because over 90 percent of shares in KSE are dormant shares ... held by big institutions, with companies management, banks and government].

**All areas of valuable lands belong to Army: **Another lies ... because first of all what belongs to Army is not individual assets but it is government assets .. second is that area becomes valuable if it is secured, managed good and people demand for it increases. Whatever Army acquires, they manage it good and its value increases. Nevertheless .. I do not think that Army took a lot of lands after Musharraf took over and most lands they have is same as what they had before Musharraf took over ... that includes land in Islamabdad that Army acquired ages ago when they were worth little.

Underhand, dirty privitization of national asstes to favorites: Another propaganda and big lies ... mostly spread by corrupts who use to do it. During corrupt political periods all privatized units were sold cheaply to known and none went on open bidding. That is the reason Pakistan was bankrupt economy as those thugs were looting and plundering all the time. After Musharraf came to power, all units are given on open bidding at very high prices ... for instance KESC was sold at price several time more than its market value. PTCL was sold at Rs 120 per share when in market share price was Rs 40 (actually it was Rs 20 in 1999 and that is the price Nawaz sold PTCL shares .. at around Rs 20).

Government was also selling Steel mill to highest bidder in open bidding. If the corrupts (like NS) wanted to buy than they could have made bid, but price was too high. Actually, Pakistan steal was a bank rupt company in 1999 and was worth negative (even with so many lands with it, as it was giving losses in billions). It was Musharraf government that made it profitable and was selling it at good price.

Let discuss sale of Pakistan steel that corrupt Iftikhar did not understood. Pakisatan was selling 75 percent shares of Pakistan steel (on 4547 acres ... land actual steel mill is built as all extra lands, around governmetn took it back from sale) for around $362 million dollars. That translate to around $500 million for the whole steel mill. This price for a steel mill with very little output compare to world steel mills, that was full of useless and uneducated work force ... many of them political workers ... staff more than requirement of the steel mill ... with most workers getting job security too, and mill running on loss most of its life ... was really a good price to me.

Now compare that with British Steel (7th largest steel milll in the world on vast track of British expensive lands ... 1000s of acres ... much more expensive than Pakistani lands) ... When British government privatized British Steel, government got much less than what Pakistan government was getting for Pakistan steel. I think British government got around 400 million dollars or less ... (around £250 million pounds at that time) for 100 percent shares of British steel ... with no worker's job security. Even today, 100 percent of 'British steel (though it is no more there as it is taken over)' is worth around 600 million dollars (almost similar price in pounds what it was privatized).

Now think yourself that Pakistan was getting good price or what retarded and corrupt ex-CJ was talking about was right, backed by corrupt politicians who used Steel Mill to give free wages to their political workers, many political but lazy Steel Mill workers who never work, and corrupt journalists in corrupt media were right? ... In the end, Pakistan is left with Steel Mill and I am doubtful that Pakistan would ever get that price again ... plus most likely when corrupt politicians would come back to loot and plunder... they would again fill Steel Mill with their lazy political workers and in future Pakistan tax payer would again start paying to keep the Mill afloat (actually before Musharraf came to power, Steel Mill was costing tax payers millions of dollars every year to run the mill ... and it seems that is what Pakistanis want, to let political workers have free ride at their expense).

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[mod] Sa1eem, I warned in the other thread too. Disparaging an opposing viewpoint as a particular group is not a decent discussion tactic. Please stop.
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Sorry brother, I realised that my post could be misunderstood and someone might take it personal. I modified my post. I hope that my post is now politically right. :)

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^^ Please stop? o bhai aap moderator haiN ya professor ghafoor?

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Thank you for clearing many misconceptions people have.

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Spot on :k:

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Acha?!

Maybe you are referring to Pakistanis living in UK.

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^ not necessarily mutually exclusive quotes Ali_R.

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^Read the article.

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You gotta be shortcut aziz to come up with unique theories and irrelevant examples to prove your point.