Terrorism a Disease in religion

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Anjaan, IF YOU READ MY ENTRIES CAREFULLY I DO NOT JUSTIFY NOR CONDONE VIOLENCE. I'M CONDONING TALKS AND DIALOGUE. READ CAREFULLY. I have merely stated that I understand the views of other people. Furthermore, the point you wish to discuss and to address is quite frankly baseless. Kashmir and Chechnya will never be given to Muslims, Israel will never vanish and USA will not stop interfering the Mid-East........

Who created these so called Islamists? I HATE THIS TERM. What does it mean? Does Christianists apply to the Irish terrorrists or did SIKHISTS apply to the Sikhs during their struggle in India? Come on man - open your mind and stop being so narrow minded and just following the Media propoganda. Just because these people carrying out these 'acts' belong to Islam does not give anyone the right to malign the religion in this way. DON'T TIE THE REST WITH THE SAME STRING. I'm sure you wouldn't like it either if the tide was on your side.

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Quite true. But sad truth is that they are not willing to open up their so called liberal minds. Hinduism has always been fanatic, & they have an upper edge.

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It's a pity to read that these issues are ones you feel are OK to be SARCASTIC about. Have some humility - no matter what and who is in control of what - people are dying and being killed. SHAME ON YOU.

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I have an answer which says that you are only partially true
----east timor in indonesia
----persecustion of parsis and bahai's in iran (that's why many of them are in india)
----kashmiri pundits are refugees in their own state. They have been driven out so that a muslim majority state can be created.
----why did you stop at 250years?...why not even more?....I know aurangzeb and others are "noble" for you guys

Besides, since hinduism, buddhism, jainism have been there even before christianity, islam and judaism also. These never ventured out of india barring buddhism. they remained within india and never attacked any other country. So these should be the most peaceful religions in this world. Now how does this sound?....i know it sounds stupid and a lie for you guys, isn't it?.

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Just got this to say- what about the riots in India between the Hindus and Muslims? Hindus and Sikhs? Quite peaceful hun?

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^ ofcourse, not peaceful which I accept. Do you guys show the same attidude???

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I can only speak for myself and yes I have a similar attitude. See other threads for reassurance if needed. :)

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Assaalm O Aalaikom,

Anyone who is believing with Iraqis doing wrong, then do we think that Zarqawi is not Martyred? He was a leader for suicide bombers. Let me know this please and I am waiting for the answer. Evidence would be much appreciated. I know suicide is Haraam.

Question: "All Iraqis with suicide bombing will go to Jahanam?"

I am waiting for the answer,
Take Care,
Allah Hafiz!

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First off, suicide is not allowed, be it doing for defense or offense. Secondly, Zarqawi is blamed for many "civilian" deaths, that casts doubt about him that he wasn't just about defending Iraq but more about making everyone else bow to him (not for "prayer bowing" but to gain power).

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Oyaay,
Do you want to discuss religion in general of you want to redirect your post to Islam bashing.

Any person with a slightest thinking ability will see that you are interpreting and drawing conclusion about a whole faith from the acts of a few who obviously don't know Islam.

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SuperMe:

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Question: "All Iraqis with suicide bombing will go to Jahanam?"
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It is possible that some that did suicide bombing did not do it intentionally but were blackmail or drugged to do that. In that case, they are just innocent victims themselves (unless there was their own willingness involved in the suicide). Regardless, all who have done suicide intentionally and willingly (for whatever reasons or cause) are Jahannumi.

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Anyone who is believing with Iraqis doing wrong, then do we think that Zarqawi is not Martyred? He was a leader for suicide bombers. Let me know this please and I am waiting for the answer. Evidence would be much appreciated. I know suicide is Haraam.
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As for Zarqawi (or any particular individual), only Allah knows their background, intentions and beliefs or that they were involved in inciting others to do suicide or not. [At least I could not take that responsibility of judging him (or anyone) as all my knowledge about him is indirect].

If (and note: ‘IF’) he (Zarqawi) was inciting people to do suicide (or was inciting people to murder old, women, children or non-combatant men) than surely he was Jahanumi and all who died on his instruction will haunt him on Judgment day. As for him being Martyred, that is a decorative title that nowadays everyone gives to their dead (Muslims and non-Muslims alike, that includes communists, communalists, nationalists, atheists, socialists, jahadis, terrorists or activists) and it is nothing to do with ‘Shahadah in the name of Allah’.

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Sorry, I am disagreed with your point. How is it possible that he was not defending Iraq? Iraqis are being treated like slaves. They want to defend their own country.

Please provide evidence that Iraqis suicide bombers are wrong whether from Quran, Hadith, or anything.

How do you stay awake?
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Why don’t you provide evidence that suicide in any circumstances, like circumstances in Iraq, is 'Halal death' from Quran or Hadith?

[Else, just say that regardless of whatever it is in Islam, you do not believe that suicide is haram.

You say that and I wont even bother with you, as there are many other things to bother then bother about unbeliever, someone who do not even believe that everything is in the hand of Allah and if one want to struggle in Iraq, one should struggle according to the principles set by Allah, that excludes suicide.

If you believe that all is in the hand of Allah then consider that this life is test and situation in Iraq is also test on those that are living there or observing the situation there. Thus, a Muslim in Iraq or in other such situations, would struggle and try to change things but do not get that depress, desperate, hopeless and lose Iman on Allah that take own life (do suicide)]

You should remember that shortage of money, economical misery, financial unsatisfactory life, debt or desires of better life does not make stealing, cheating, bribery or dishonesty ‘Halal’ as they would stay ‘haram’ regardless.

Similarly, living under occupation, seeing misery all around due to occupation, not liking what others believe or say, desperate state of life or desire to be see independence of occupied people you belong cannot make suicide ‘ Halal’ as that would always going to stay ‘haram’ regardless. Any haram actions due to adverse circumstances becomes proof of lack (or non-existent) of belief (Iman) on Allah, that would come as proof on the Judgment day.

Difference is that, after other sins of disbelief (which is Kufur), there is time for repentance but with suicide, there is no time of repentance left and since it is worse type of kufr (where taking of life is involved), end result is permanent residence in lowest hell.

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Assalam O Aalaikom Saleem bhai, I did not say that suicide is not Haraam. Even I thought that suicide bombing in Iraq was Haraam. Well, I have doubts about it. I should research about it. I better not say anything unless I do not have more knowledge about this topic. Well, I should stop arguing into this thread. :(

Take Care brother,
Allah Hafiz!

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SuperMe: Bhai, no problem and yea, I am sorry if I said anything harsh. Actually, what you did was best thing that is to ask, discuss and learn from people around you. That is how we learn.

Unfortunately, there are many people around to misguide others (as many are misguided themselves), so be wary of all what you learn from others (whoever they maybe) and thus use your own intelligence (the greatest gift of Allah to human) and do your own research along with discussing with others. In the end, no one, not even one you might consider as most knowledgeable would be responsible of you on the judgment day, where all will answer regarding their own deeds alone.

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It is alright. I have a soft heart Alhumdullillah. I have a bear of everything. I forgive everyone in any sins and forget it Alhumdullillah. Yes, you are right that I participate in the forum, I do not have more knowledge about Islam but I am learning. Learning is a process of life, hopefully I learned better today than yesterday.

One more thing to ask, may you PM me that what is your Aqeedah like what sect do you follow please? I want to know and Jazakallah. Please let me know if you can.

Waiting for your reply.

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I would also like to add:
One thing you should also remember is that, sometime suicide seems to produce result and many would use that to misguide Muslims that it as allowed in Islam (that is the way of Shaitan). However, this should not misguided a Muslim as there are many other haram activities that produces result, like bribery, stealing, cheating or dishonesty may produce result and could even make a person affluent still they are haram.

At least bribery, stealing, cheating and dishonesty gives some pleasure to those that get involved and later they might even repent and thus may get forgiveness from Allah but suicide is that action where the person involve does not even live to see the fruit, does not find any time to repent and after death goes straight to hell.

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Why are you bringing in East Timor? Why don’t you tell me what you mean by bringing in East Timor?

And yes, we do find Aurangzeb noble…But he is beyond 250 years…

But if you want further than 250, why don’t you bring your examples?

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Yes brother, mercy killing (euthanasia) and suicide all are Haraam. I am just going to study about suicide bombing in Iraq InsaAllah.

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“I came alone and I go as a stranger. I do not know who I am, nor what I have been doing. I have sinned terribly, & I do not know what punishment awaits me.” - Aurangzeb

http://www.colorado.edu/history/ches…ndhandout5.htm
or
check this page
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=221038&page=10

Now, you can believe anything you want. I dont want any argument on this