Terrorism a Disease in religion

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We need to discuss the 5 + 8 bomb blasts in Srinagar and Bombay that has taken near about 200 innocent lives of civilians including women and children, till it becomes another usual 11/7 in addition to 9/11, 7/7 or 29/10 and many others.

So far all enquiries are indicating in one direction…that is towards Islamic organizations, such as SIMI, LeT etc. (It will be a great relief if Muslims are not behind the killings.)

If you want to treat a disease …the first step is to accept that you have a disease, instead of giving explanations, excuses and finding fault with others.

If Kashmir and Chechnya are given to Muslims, Israel vanishes from the world map, USA stops interfering in mid-East……..will Islamists give up violence?

After any blind killings we come across following declarations from the Muslim clergy….

  1. Islam is a religion of peace and we condemn these brutal killings.

  2. Islam is a religion of peace and a good Muslim cannot engage in such kind of brutal killings.

  3. We doubt some foul play in the game.

  4. There is definitely some design behind the killings.

  5. Give us proofs that Muslims have done it.

And then comes the final declaration that

  1. Muslims are not involved in any such killings and it is a design game of Jews, Hindus, USA etc etc. to malign the good name of Muslims or because they are afraid of Islam.

And ultimately the Muslim clergy followed by Muslim majority rejects to accept the disease.
Is there anything wrong in discussing a problem, a disease? How the Islamists can so easily kill children, women….?

Can there be any solution before many more children, women, civilians etc become a free target. Or otherwise in the words of AlQaeda leader….these unbelievers are tax payers of anti-Islam State’ Armed forces and there is nothing wrong in eliminating them.

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We need to first discuss the thousands of innocent men, women and children killed by Indian forces in Jammu and Kashmir...

Don't think these were mindless attacks on India by crazed fanatics who hate the Indian way of life as if there was any...

You suppress a people and expect them to take it silently is a mistake on your part...

What's terrorism to you is a struggle for freedom and resistance against persecution and oppression for another...

There was no resistance like the one you see here 25 years ago, although all the Muslim areas you mention have been under occupation for more than 60 years...

There is a limit to how much anyone can take...Too many innocents have died under occupation...Now, they won't take it...It's liberty or death now...

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Totally agree.

Today an indian said "govt should kill all the kashmiris then we can send peoplefrom bihar etc to populate kashmir"

For us most important thing is kashmirs to indian its kashmir the land they don't give a damn about kashmiri.

but things will fall into place one day inshallah.

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Terror is something which makes others afraid off.

But terrorism is relative to time.

At certain time some acts that cause terror
in the eyes of some, shows a glare of hope in the eyes and brain of others.

this is what which has created so many school of thoughts in different religions.

History is not absolute , it is relative . It was relative , to time, ZAMN O MAKAN and different kinds of people---some are/were blessed and some are/were not; by intelligence to understand some act of some one relative to his approach.

so american is trying to fix the world.
india is trying to keep khashmir.

Kashmeris are trying to get freedom.

pakistan is trying to help and assist kahmeri brothers.

all are causing terror in the world, in one way or other.
But every one is explaining his terrorisim in his relative terms, and conditions.

No one is accepting others act not to be terrorism as all these actions are causing terror in the life of peaceful mankind.

history will take time and would write all these terror in its own relative terms according to the time----according to the might who will order it to be written in his relative terms as --------------------!!!!

tou janab sabr sa beith ya.

yazeed kou some people say Rahmat ula alei
some say very very bad.etc etc

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Terrorism is not just about scaring people to/off death, many a people lose life in the process, I don't find approval of which in any religion.

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At certain time some acts that cause terror
in the eyes of some, shows a glare of hope in the eyes and brain of others.
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such are signs of nation who once was at top but then lost its peak due to various reason and now is reeling at bottom which she can't understand why i.e. Muslims who want to see the same glory of past 1400 years, Hindus wanting to get their domination back, Christians their glory, Zionists their peak etc.

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this is what which has created so many school of thoughts in different religions.
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Because they want to accomodate their actions to get back to the top by hook or crook.

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Whether one is terrorist or not depends on which side of the table one is!

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Lajawab the people in kashmir they dont wont India or Pakistan the want safety they want Kashmir.
Thats all tell me millions of Indians how concerned we are about the humans living in Kashmir, or its the same with Pakis.
The fact is that its not terrorism its corruption in our Government level.
Where do u think the defence money is coming to them. I deny its India or Pakistan.
This is out of topic.

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QUESTION - How many of you were directly affected by these bombings? Wether they were in US, London or anywhere else?

I was in fact on my way to work on the tube in London on 7/7. My usual work route would actually take me on the tube lines that were blown. However, I decided that morning to take a slightly slower route as I was very early that day. Allah protected me from making my daily journey, but I too queston why it happened. I love my religion and am the first to speak for it but I too am confused by these acts. I do not understand. I am a Muslim and was affected by the suicide bombings to the point that living in London, I had to walk home all the way from the Centre of the City (the Business District). There were no cabs as they were all taken, no buses as they were completely overloaded and mobiles weren't working for whatever reason. I was very upset about it, but I felt almost apologetic for what had happened because Muslims were involved in the act.

Firstly, I don't believe that it is Islamic to kill innocent people. Majority of the western people don't bother to vote now so how can the entire popoulation of any country be held responsible for their government's actions? I don't understand. We don't vote because we don't think it will make a difference as every leader that has come into power has one story before and a completely different one after being elected. I live in a democracy but quite frankly it stinks of hypocrisy. I'd rather live in a dictatorship where I know that no matter what my voice will not be heard because this is just the way things are. Take the Iraq war for instance - millions of people were against our government going into Iraq but on the basis of lies, they still went. Living in a democracy doesn't do much good in my opinion as you may have freedom over your own life, but have no freedom when it comes to the acts of your nation as a whole.

The same principal I believe would apply to the bombings in India. I regret the loss of life there and my heart goes out to the families who lost their loved ones. But I also think that there must be someting seriously wrong in all areas of the world that are going through these situations. The first suicide bombers were the KAMAKAZIS - Japanese pilots on suicide missions. What is wrong with the world today (again in my opinion) is that everyone is looking after #1 and forgotten how neighbours should be with each other.

I'm afraid to say that unless the interfering nations leavethe Muslims to get on with getting their affairs in order, these attacks are likely to continue all over the world. Unfortunately, Muslims are under hold of these nations in some way or an other because of promisies of trade made by these rulers which are now proving to be extremely difficult to backtrack from. Following the bombs in India, there were bombs that blew up in Karachi as well in a primarily shi'ite area but that was certainly not picked up bu the International Media. I think it is this kind of 'FAVOURITISM' and DOUBLE STANDARDS that are the route of all evil and nothing else. What makes some people superior to others. Why can Western countries have the right to be Nuclear powers but other countries that aspire for such status are threathened? Who has given them this right? This is the burning question.

As for the issue of Kashmir, I believe that it may be in the interests of both India and Pakistan to let Kashmir become independant as having spoken to some Kashmiri friends, they do not wish to belong to either country. This will resolve the instability in the region and bring some peace. Being an ousider, I would very much like to know by both Indians and Pakistanis that what is it about Kashmir that neither is willing to give it up? ***What is in history is history so why cry over it and spoil the future? * **Learn from the West. Be friendly, trade together, work together, but feel free to put each other in their place 'VERBALLY' if and when the need arises. Create an Asian Union like the EU and learn to work with each other no matter what the History was. Celebrate days that are equally important for your sovereign countries - no one is saying to forget history, but it has no place in the future.

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really well said
hope anjan gets his/her answers

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Assalam O Aalaikom brothers and sisters,

How are you? A person can not be terrorist in suicide bombing because a person is taking his own life. Is that person enjoying? Is that person doing for fun?

Take Care,
Allah Hafiz!

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Walaikum Asalam

But in killing himself, he is killing others around him. I can understand it is an act of desperation but suicide is haram in Islam.

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Assalam O Aalaikom schine brother,

How are you? Iraqis have no choice. Will they still be slaves to Americans? Who are Americans to rule Iraq? If a person attacks us, we are suppose to attack that person back whether a Muslim or non-Muslim, for example, if somebody comes to murder us at home, will we look is that person is Muslim or non-Muslim first or we will attack that person? That's all to say. Atleast 50 Iraqis die every single day, would we expect them to get quiet? Anyway, some scholars believe that suicide as in all terms, is Haraam while others do not. My family believes that suicide bombing in that situation in Iraq is not Haraam. I have nothing to say since I am not a scholar.

Take Care brother,
Allah Hafiz!

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^^
SuperMe: Suicide is haram in all cases irrespective of the reason. Suicide is haram because those who do suicide or those who condone suicide (for whatever reason), by their action, they give proof of their disbelief on Allah (ST). On the judgment day, these people (whoever they maybe, will find a permanent place in hell).

Why suicide is haram and proof of disbelief on Allah?

People do suicide in desperation. They want to change the situation, fight against the situation or come out of the situation they are in (weather that situation is personal or state of their surroundings they do not like and want to desperately change). Situation in Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir etc are situation of the surrounding that prompt a person to take drastic step of suicide in order to change that or fight with that.

Souls do not decide to come to this world but Allah send souls to this world with purpose. That purpose is their test in the environment of this world. That environment is different for different people. Regardless, Allah creates that different environment for different soul, and a person test depends on how that person acts in that environment.

That environment could be anything from pleasing, affluent and comfortable for one soul to harsh, depressing and miserable for another soul. One can do whatever to change that environment staying within the laws of Allah realizing that all is in the hand of Allah and thus one should not get desperate to change it but one only try to change it. Many do not realize that all humans are creation of Allah and equal in the eyes of Allah and that Allah judges all (irrespective of their religion and creed) but according to the environmental situation they face. One should also realize that all souls around are going through their own test and goal of all soul is same (without even realizing).

Thus, we cannot and should not start judging others but learn from others and try to stay on the path that seems right for us. Hence, we learn, get convinced and adopt a path while praying that Allah guides us by making us select the path he likes and keeping us on that path (that prayer we do every time we read surah Fatiha). Allah has given us intelligence to find that path and thus we should use our intelligence to get guided. Those who are mentally handicap (have no intelligence) are themselves test for others and part of the created environment but are not going through any test themselves.

In such situation, any desperate action like suicide (for whatever reasons) means that one has no belief on Allah and if one does suicide, one leave the test environment set by Allah for that person. It also shows that the person that does suicide (to change own situation or general situation) does not believe that Allah is in control of all situations and such desperate action is not required as whenever Allah wants it, situation would change anyhow, without committing suicide by anyone. Thus, one can try their best without overstepping the limits but leave the result on Allah without getting disapointed of what is happening. [Actually, disapointment is kufur as it is disbelief on Allah)

For instance, as Muslim it should be our believe that what is happening around the world, including Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir etc are environment that is there for test purpose and Allah is in control of it but is letting it to be there for the test of souls in this world. That means, when we see, hear or get involved in these situations, how we think, how we behave and how we act becomes test result of our soul. We can and should try to change the situation there but that does not mean to overstep the limit and start doing suicide.

Now, if you want to see true wretched face of a person that does suicide, here is one: [Warning: If you have weak heart, do not see the picture on the site].

http://www.jasarat.com/showpic.php?date=16-07-2006&image=08.jpg&category=pictures

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Assalaam-o Allaikum SuperMe,

Quick correction - I'm female. :)

I'm saddened to read your point of view but do understand that many feel like this. Iraqis do have a choice and that is to stand united rather than kill each other over who is Sunni and who is Shia and who is Kurdish. They can stand united and engage in talks to remove the forces if that is what they really want. The balance of power is not on their side so strategy must be rethinked.

But perhaps we Muslims are forgetting that we must always turn to Allah for HIS help and guidance rather than taking any situation into our own hands which is likely not to resolve the situation anyway. All I will say is that as far as I have read suicide is haraam no matter what the situation because even if life is not worth living, no one has the right to end it. Only Allah will decide when the time will come. So my request to all those out there is to turn to Allah and stop committing suicide and killing others in the same vein. It not only ruins your families and the families of other innocent people, but is giving the wrong impression of what Islam teaches in the West and in other countries too. PS - I'm not a scholar either. :)

Allah Hafiz

Best wishes,
schine

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How about a view to add in here
Whe brits ruled US, Washington was Terrorist no. 1 for the Brits but he was the first President of US.
The perceptions are different, but each and every case has to be looked in with the context.
For eg. in Mahabharata, Pandavas fought and killed there own cousins it might sound ruthless, if i dont suppor tthis with the context.

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Lajwab, Schine, yo-wasim & co have very simply justified voilence.
Did I say something else in my post?

I repeat the question they have deliberately ignored.....

If Kashmir and Chechnya are given to Muslims, Israel vanishes from the world map, USA stops interfering in mid-East……..will Islamists give up violence?

I do not know how to name it correctly, a desease, or a divine cause...but the problem is very deep and definitely need to be discussed.

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You can answer this yourself…

25 years ago, except for Palestine’s struggle for liberation, how many incidences of ‘Islamist violence’ can you bring to mind? Open up a history book, how many incidence of violence against non-Muslims do you see from Muslims in the last 100 years? 250 years?

You will have your answer…

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Let me answer it for him lajjo...

None, absolutely none. Continuous inerference, 1991 forced Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, by gutter bush, & we have now a slow takeover of the entire Middle East by jews...for the creation of Greater Israel.

If what anjjan says is true, then let me tell u that, there was never any provocation from any Muslim country, the so called fake holocaust was not done by a muslim, hiroshima & nagasaki were not destroyed by a muslim, world war I & II were not started by a muslim. Even the word terrorist didn't come into effect in the english dictionary by a muslim...!!!

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Oh no Kashmiris should not be killed. We should hand it to you on a platter. But India is running a special sale. Buy one and get one free. We should give you Bihar too for free... hehehehe.