Terrible news from NWFP...

This is terrible, I hope the Pushtoons vote these idiots out the next time around..

Pakistan ‘moral laws’ spark row

The MMA alliance says it won a mandate to bring in the laws
A controversial new law critics say will seek Taleban-style moral policing has been presented in Pakistan’s North-West Frontier Province.
The bill would see the introduction of a moral police force to ensure strict adherence to Islamic injunctions.

It was tabled amid deafening shouts of disapproval from opposition parties who have vowed to resist it.

However, hardline religious parties have enough seats in the provincial house to pass the bill.

Calling the proposed law “Taleban-style extremism”, angry opposition politicians threw copies of the proposed legislation in the air to register their protest.

The proposed law calls for the establishment of a new department to “discourage vice and encourage virtue.”

Adherence

The BBC’s Aamer Ahmed Khan in Karachi says that in effect, a new office will be set up along the lines of the office of the ombudsman, at provincial as well as district level.

It will be headed by a cleric called “mohtasib” - one who holds others accountable - to be nominated by the government.

Activists remove “Western” adverts in North-West Frontier Province

The principal duty of the cleric will be to “ensure adherence to Islamic values in public places”.

According to a draft of the bill, the mohtasib will be required to ensure people pay adequate respect to azan (call to prayers), pray on time and do not engage in commerce at the time of Friday prayers.

The mohtasib will also stop unrelated men and women from appearing in public places together and discourage singing and dancing.

The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), Pakistan’s six-party religious alliance which is in power in North-West Frontier Province, says it was mandated by the people in the 2002 elections to bring in such laws.

However, the president of Pakistan’s ruling party, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, called it “unconstitutional”.

He warned that it would lead to confrontation between Islamabad and the provincial governments.

The opposition Pakistan Peoples Party called it an “obscurantist pipedream” and an attempt to “Talebanise” Pakistan.

Afghanistan’s former ruling Taleban initiated a “vice and virtue” department in Kabul which became the focus of criticism from human rights organisations.

It is not yet clear when the North-West Frontier Province assembly will vote on the bill.

Observers believe that, barring direct intervention from Islamabad, the bill is highly likely to pass into law.

Legal experts say it is not clear what options are available to the federal government for stopping the bill

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Who are you or I to dictate their choices? This is democracy for you, they got what they wanted although it’s definitely not something I’d fancy for Punjab.

95% of the Pukhtoon people I know are very conservative and I know quite a few, and the few Baluch people I know are too, both Pukhtoon and Baluch people are very strict compared to us Desi's.

It’s their culture and their own land if they like it let them be even if it’s not palatable to our tastes, we concentrate on our own people and province.

Mitti paow sadda ki jaunda hai?

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Since this is what the people of the NWFP want, I hope they get it.

Denying them their wishes would be oppressing them.

Plus, I'm actually curious to see how effective and how popular this kind of policy will be in a democracy like the NWFP. It's only ever been tried before in repressive dicatorships.

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Im not gonna stop them, but still a rather regressive step... Has the potential to be very dangerous!

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If thats regressive then the ultimate form of regression is to be a muslim.....

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Agreed... But seriously, when you have people running around trying to make sure that everyone is behaving properly, in accordance with someone elses interpretation then there is either something wrong with the religion, or the people in it.. Take your pic!

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^ppl may be wrong ,,,but religion will never be wrong coz its given by god

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I hope the policy prevails and succeed.

:insha:

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MMA=Mullah Military Alliance

Don't overspeculate. Remember that brat, Sayed Ahmad Barelvi, when he tried to impose his own brand of Islam on Pashtuns, he was kicked in the ass. For this menace of fundamentalism to uproot, the cinilized world would have to deal with centers of Islamic ideologies, namely Lahore, Cairo, Qam, and Hijaz.

Even recently, Russia, Afghanistan, and Hindustan have blamed Pakistan of running Islamic militant training camps.

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What goes of your father man, at least they are people elected by us, what about Punjab, who are dictating every thing in the country. So please mind your own business, we have the opposition, they will deal with it. Dont be a bloody Hukamraan every where.
And by the way why not to call your Artillery and Tanks to kill all the Pakhtoons along with all the molvies, that is always an ideal option for you people, why not this time, let's try.

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Non-Pashtuns shouldn't bitch about it because it will only mean that Urdu will now be in full swing and Islamization of every Pashtun household will begin. Yet the Pashtuns are true democrats, they'll kick these mullahs in the ass just like they have kicked every other leader that they didn't agree with. MMA is just trying to get attention that's all. I bet two weeks from now we will see news about Junoon performing live in Peshawar to the daughters of fooji pathans.

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islam is not relegion of compulsion, so u could tell one that what is right and what is wrong. second thing is in islam personal life and personal acts in privacy is different than doing publically. if these acts are morally bad in private its between the one who is doin and ALLAH SWT! if done publically then become nuisance and law could be made to deter it!

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Oh please, here you go with the Punjab is dictating everything nonsense.. Was it the Punjabi govt that inflicted the MMA on you people? And when its Pakistan is all our bussiness. I could care less if this was Afghanistan, but while NWFP is in Pakistan this is our bussiness like it or not. If you ever join Afghanistan, and with laws like this I could honestly say it would be better if you did, no offence ofcourse, then be my guest to make up whtever law you want. Contrary to your oppinion, people, including Punajbis do care what happens in their country…
Anyways, point is that now this will give the Mullahs an excuse to harass people for things like not praying, or being out with a girl, even if your married. This is a horrible law that will intrudude on the rights of sitizens at every turn. Just because you pray five times a day and are such a strict Pious Muslim doesnt mean we all have to be. By the way, the opposition, which also got many vote in NWFP arte competely against this. Are you gonna say they should mind their own bussiness to?
And BTW, the opposition isnt strong enough to kill this bill, the MMA is in Majority…

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MMA has a democratic right to adopt policies they espoused right from the begining. We may not like what they portend, thus our responsibility to oppose such obcurantist policies but with due process.

It is the frontier majority who voted for mma, its their right to support and oppose policies initiated by their elected representatives.

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I never said I was gonna go out and bomb them if they passed this Bill. They can pass whatever they want, just highlighting the fact that this bill is gonna make Pakistan an even more of a screwed up society then it already is..

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Concerts in NWFP are banned from what I hear. But I certainly do hope the Democratic Pashtuns, being the true democrats that you say they are (ok!), kick these guys out…

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Some people more then others…

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I hope this policy never succeeds.

:insha:

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Capital talk is discussing this right now - this is very disturbing.

This is why provincialism needs to be destroyed. The law that is applied in Karachi should be the same law applied in NWFP.

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It looks like the federal government might have rights to appeal to the Supreme Court to prevent MMA from passing and executing this bill since it violates the national constitution.