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Fana un Fillah (Annihilation in God) is the third and last step in reaching that Maqam. The first step is love. <3
a side question. Why there are three stages of Fana? If one is exposed to one stage of Fana, how come he can be taken to second stage? I mean with the term 'Fana' a concept of end appears in our minds, when someone is ended, how come he be transferred to a new beginning i.e. next stage.
Are first two stages a rehearsal of the third and final stage?
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a side question. Why there are three stages of Fana? If one is exposed to one stage of Fana, how come he can be taken to second stage? I mean with the term 'Fana' a concept of end appears in our minds, when someone is ended, how come he be transferred to a new beginning i.e. next stage.
Are first two stages a rehearsal of the third and final stage?
No it doesn't mean you end yourself...it's your ego that you have to end.
I don't say you can get exposed to first stage, rather you have to put all your efforts to reach the first step. Love of God is to willing to give up everything for God, then the love of the Prophet(saw) and the masters. So if you love God you must love his creation and love them more than you love yourself...if you can do this you have already reached the first stage.
Second stage is Hudurullah, and last one is the one you mentioned in the start. I don't know much about these two except only Awliya have reached them.
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Apnay mann main doob ker paa ja suraagh-e-zindgee
mera nahi banta a ban, apna to ban * sigh*
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Fana un Fillah (Annihilation in God) is the third and last step in reaching that Maqam. The first step is love. <3 Love everyone else more than yourself. Very very difficult.
Astagfirullah
then no sufi can reach that Maqam because all the Sufis i have seen hate salfists :p
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Astagfirullah then no sufi can reach that Maqam because **all **the Sufis i have seen hate salfists :p
How can you be so sure?
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My experience.
Well loving every one more yourself is not possible. Technically, arrogant, transgressors and those who blame Allah are not supposed be loved. Sab lafzon ka khail hai.
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what about the experiences of millions who got inspired from their behavior to the extent that they changed their religions? kuch to peeche hoga 
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My experience. Well loving every one more yourself is not possible. Technically, arrogant, transgressors and those who blame Allah are not supposed be loved. Sab lafzon ka khail hai.
There are some Sufis who don't hate Salafis. I don't hate Salafis, and I can't claim any maqam ... Loving them more than myself is another matter.
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You're a bit of a Debbie Downer, ain't you ajazali?
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Btw, Mawlid Mubarik to you, ajazali. 
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You're a bit of a Debbie Downer, ain't you ajazali?
ae kon si, khasma nu khani?
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thanks.
celebrating it without making models and shikia things, no problem. declaring it mandatory to celebrate is bidah.
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ae kon si, khasma nu khani?
American TV show character I think....a bit of a cynic.
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Perception-----idraak
illusion---------iltibaas
thinking------taffakur
Learning-----aamoozish
Conditioning-----mushrootiyat
instrumental conditioning----aalaatee mushrootiyat
nervous system----aasabee nizaam
have you by any chance studied in Urdu medium schools? The terminologies that you have mentioned remind me of the couple of years I studied in Urdu...
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Impressing people with dholki as done by amir khusro was the corrupt approach. It would have been a big deal if people were made religious and practicing not merely fantasizing with religious stories. People were already influenced by Islam after Arabs. Since human beings tend to follow the easier things hence musicians and poet sufis were able to influence people.
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Impressing people with dholki as done by amir khusro was the corrupt approach. It would have been a big deal if people were made religious and practicing not merely fantasizing with religious stories. People were already influenced by Islam after Arabs. Since human beings tend to follow the easier things hence musicians and poet sufis were able to influence people.
It was Nizam u din who influenced people and not Amir Khusro. Khusro is still popular as rude Turk among non-Muslims.
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Amir Khusrow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How is he disliked by non-muslims?
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He was just a discipline of Nizam u din, besides being a court poet. Everyone knows Nizam u din attitude towards court and rulers.
Khusro did created affection for Nizam u din through his compositions, but he was not that influential as a sufi. The term ‘sufi poet’ should not be taken with restricted meaning. He did touch sufi thoughts in his poetry, but he is better known for songs related to customs followed by then ladies of Delhi (both Muslims and Hindus).
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Well what I know through Sufi followers in my acquaintance, Amir khusro was the first who influenced non-muslims in large. He used dholki to gather people and "preached" them.
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Well what I know through Sufi followers in my acquaintance, Amir khusro was the first who influenced non-muslims in large. He used dholki to gather people and "preached" them.
Khusro lived in Delhi during the period from late 13th to early 14th century. There was already a lot of conversion of Hindus to Islam due to influence of sufis like Fariduddin Ganjshakar, Bakhtiyar Kaki and Moinuddin Chishti (predecessors of Nizam u din Auliya, the peer of Khusro). BTW, Fariddun Ganj shakar was a sufi poet and his poetry was later included in Sikh's Garanth. :)