Teachings of Mujaddiths who follow Haneefi Madhab

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^ if it were not for the fact that TJs dont do dawah to the non muslims :)

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what about America? UK? are people reverting because of TJ's efforts? or people reading up on Islam on their own?

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Are you not from Canada? If you are then you should know bhai :)

I have two friends who are revert, one was sikh and one was a catholic and alhamdulillah they are spending time in the path of Allah. There were many others before them, and you should see the way they follow the sunnah better than us... :(

The sikh dude's beard man im telling you, you get jealous* astaghfirullah.

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In US I haven't come across a single revert who said that it was cuz of TJ's introduction.

There are different dawa group in Dallas, people who visit jails, and probably hospitals... but those aren't TJs... as Sharaabi mentioned TJs visit fellow Muslim brothers.

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That is true, but the young people like us, we have big oppurtunities in schools, universities..etc which is why we see soo many young reverts.

There are many different groups, after eerything we are Muslims. We shouldn't divide/boast about a group.

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Have you ever read fadhail e aamal or is it just copy paste from ahya dot com.

Weak ahadith are mentioned in Fadhail e Amaal .

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For the first condition to be met, it would take nothing less than a scholar...to figure out the how weak or how strong the hadith is. Hence there reading of the Fazail is totally wrong.
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Yes Cyber copy paste scholars :)

Why i will never leave TJ inshallah.

1-The most effective jamaat in the islamic world today.

2-I have seen so much Nusrat of ALLAH with this jamaat that it is hard to believe some cyber scholar rather then my Ilm ul Yaqeen.
I have seen Tableghee people smiling after death during my Tablighee visits (very few :( ) , smelled the fragerence of the Qaboor (Mujahideens and TJ peoples) and heared thier last words, .

These and other circulated questions have been ansered by many scholars , but to me this is the ugliest part of salfi movment-promoting hatred among Muslims-

Innalila he wainna alihay rajioun

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Good post.

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I think that's cause those who revert through TJs end up abandoning them. That's what Bilal Philips did.

And I live in a TJ community, and what usually happens is that they see me in the masjid and ask for my address. Then about an hour later or so they come to my home asking me to come to the masjid. It gets frustrating after a while, cause this has happened to me a few times.

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There are many-

I have met few in Raiwand Lahore.

Anyway even if TJ dont visist non muslims still they are guiding the muslims
to the true path.to islamic wway of life.

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There will come a time of so much fitnah that people have to only mind their own business and leave everyone alone. I will find the ahadith.

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there are many more issues with them, I'd rather not go into that arena, this thread was about "Mujaddids who follow Hanafi madhab".

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" Taqreer of Tirmidhi" which is written by Mahmood Al Hassan Deobandi, a hanafi scholar. On the issue of Khiyar ul Majlis, where the shafiee opinion has a stronger evidence and agreed by the scholar.
Has this to say
"As a matter of fact and justice in this issue Imaam's Shafiee's opinion attain a greater weight, but since we are blind followers(taqleed) it is obligatory upon us to make taqleed of Imaam Abu Hanifa" Taqreer ut Tirmidhi pg 39-40.
Is above the truth, the one in blue keywords. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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I am an ex-TJ. I do not have time right now but I can go over it in great detail inshallah.

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Like to know more about it brother. Our only aim is to get Muslims towards the right path. I would be happy if you could PM me your id to chat. Wanna know more about, how you came towards the right path of Quran and Sunnah
JazakAllaahkhair.

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Do you not have anything better to do?

This is not the time to start quarrels between men who believe in La illaha illallah muhammader rasoolallah.

You have bigger enemies, bigger problems to tackle, what use are you to humanity fighting amongst yourselves.

Stop taking things out of context to bring your own brothers down.

Shia sunni wahabi deobandi barelvi shaafi hanafi, HOW many brothers do you think you can convert by bringing out faults in one another?

How far will you go?

You're just decaying the ummah from within, while bigger enemies nibble on our leftovers outside.

In this world, fix the greater evil, and focus on the smaller one later on.

You have humanity to save, let go of your brother's neck, and unite under the banner of shahaadah, if not the different rulings.

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Thats what I have been shouting, and fighting for come towards the right path of Quran and sunnah.
If they were small problems with the sects it is justifiable, but not matters of committing shirk.
I wanna float the thread about this big enemies. How can we overcome them, but i have second thoughts about.
With the consent of my muslim brothers shall i go ahead.

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^ Let them be on their own, Allah will deal with them if they commit shirk, Better yourselves, and those near you, and your children, and conform a better future.

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I should tell you that it was not a copy paste at all. Had it been one, i would have definetly quoted my source. The conditions to use the weak hadith were set by Ibn Hajr al Asqalani, and its common knowledge to anyone who has a slight interest in the field of hadith.

And another thing i wanted to tell you, is that i haven't read Fazail e amaan, but i have heard it being read many times. I sat with the TJs for 6 months, even after reading about them from ahya.com and all the other websites. But i didn't believe them, because i still think to this day, that they are not from the deviant groups, hence there is no harm in sitting with them. Its only when they start feeding into you the belief that this is the best dawah organization in the world, and they start forcing you to go out with them for days, and when you do that you are forced to comply with the rules and guidelines of the jamaat, which at times seem nonsense and together with their passive methodology, their totally ignoring the current affairs scene; their turning a blind eye to the real threat the ummah is facing, and their lack of emphasis on gaining knowledge (reading of fazaeil is not really taleem) and matters relating to Shariaah, have all forced me to back away. And yes, i experienced all these issues first hand.

What is criteria for being an affective jamaat?

Nusrah of Allah will come to anyone who is a Wali of Allah. There are Awliyaa of Allah in the jamaat, and there are awliyaa of Allah else where. And what i've noticed is that the work of the TJs differ according to the place. For eg, in Miranshah, Pak...the entire markaz is full of Mujahideen. But where i live, the TJs refuse to talk about any current affairs and are completely against mujahideen. One of the TJs i know from NWFP is an ex Mujahideen and an alim, and i have the greatest respect for him. And then there are also some people, like the ameer of our area who is a staunch nationalist, being from India, he dislikes and discourages listening to Pak scholars but enjoys listening to indian scholars.

So there are different types of people in TJ, and there is absolutely no set prerequisite that you need to be in the tableeghi jamaat to receive the nusrah of Allah.

Its not just the salafies who hate deobandies, the people from deoband hate salafies equally, its like a perpetual war goin on.

Innalila he wainna alihay rajioun, indeed.

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  1. Could we have someone attest to the credibility of the quotes posted in the first post?

  2. No one ever condemns the fact that TJs go out for dawah. This is something very commendable and everyone respects them for their efforts. The dispute occurs over some of the books that are used and the narrations that are contained in those books. That is because there are a number of ahadith that are likely not sahih ahadith. In addition, I believe there are stories in Fazaail-e-Amaal that are of buzurgs I suppose. I've got a copy of Fazail-e-Amaal at home. I've only had time to skim through it a few times and I came across a few things that raised my ears.

  3. Please don't group us all under one banner and call those who aren't in accord with TJ material as salafis, as not all of us are salafis.

  4. Those of us who are voicing our concerns about the material have first hand experience (which is offline) with TJs and some of their material. I've known TJs who have been TJs and would likely remain as such. I'm also familiar with individuals who have been with TJs or were part of TJs, but they quit later on. Therefore, to assume that it's dot com material that we're regurgitating is incorrect.

  5. It's interesting how the naseehats are being delivered over how not to bash TJs (which I sort of agree with), but at the same time I've seen thread(s) bashing salafis.

Bottom line is all of us respect TJs for their dawah efforts and their hard work. The disputes are solely based on their material. I've also heard that there are TJs elsewhere whose material is sound, but I haven't yet come across them on a personal level.

Lastly, the TJs I've met offline are mostly down to earth, polite, and very humble. Unfortunately, I can't say the same from the experience online. Anyway, I'd rather base it on my experience online than offline.

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we still have to do "Amr bil Ma'ruf wa Nahy an al Munkar" (enjoin good and forbid evil)
if we just sit around without forbidding the evil then Allah will punish us
it could be that Allah is humiliating us muslims because we don't say anything about the deviant sects

and we can't possibly unite with those who have a different aqeedah than us
uniting with those who have a different aqeedah will eventually lead to more problems