There is the Armenian Genocide. Bloody Sunday. The IRA and so much more. There is ETA. There are all the massacres and war crimes in Latin America.
None of that is taught in Pakistan. But nobody cares.
What everybody for some damn reason cares about is the Holocaust. I am just annoyed by the obvious bias. Apartheid is just as bad nobody teaches that. Rwanda was horrible as bad as the Holocaust nobody teaches about that.
Can anyone tell me off the top of their head and without googling the number of native people that died when the Americas were colonized? How many distinct tribes vanished with their culture and languages?
Not by traditional molvies, but by Ulemas. Main reason is that both Naik and doctor Israr are self taught scholars. Doctor Israr had a masters in Islamic studies. Naik does not even have that. It’s obvious why Ulemas don’t trust them. It’s like you asking a qualified medical doctor to trust a hakeem who self taught himself into treating patients.
I’ve heard this argument before and i think it’s a weak one.
First of all, who certifies that a given molvi is a proper aalim? For every one molvi who supports a supposed aalim, there are ten who think he doesn’t know jack.
Secondly, for the average joe, any one in religious garb is an aalim. 70-80% of the people have no time or interest in sophisticated philosophical arguments and rely on less credible sources of religious knowledge than dr. Israr or Naik. For the illiterate villager, the village mullah is the ultimate authority.
And lastly, it’s inane to focus on the person presenting the argument rather than the argument itself. If being taught by proper authorities was so good, we wouldn’t get stupid mullahs such as sheerani in positions of authority.
And this takes the thread totally off course so let’s not discuss this any further. If someone is really interested, they can open a new thread.
I’m not sure what lies at the root of your frustration on this subject but my interest stems from a discussion in which a Pakistani was taken completely off guard when he was confronted with the facts of the holocaust while he was condemning the actions of the jewish global community and stating that they had no clue what “suffering” is about…
I’ve heard this argument before and i think it’s a weak one.
First of all, who certifies that a given molvi is a proper aalim? For every one molvi who supports a supposed aalim, there are ten who think he doesn’t know jack.
Secondly, for the average joe, any one in religious garb is an aalim. 70-80% of the people have no time or interest in sophisticated philosophical arguments and rely on less credible sources of religious knowledge than dr. Israr or Naik. For the illiterate villager, the village mullah is the ultimate authority.
And lastly, it’s inane to focus on the person presenting the argument rather than the argument itself. If being taught by proper authorities was so good, we wouldn’t get stupid mullahs such as sheerani in positions of authority.
And this takes the thread totally off course so let’s not discuss this any further. If someone is really interested, they can open a new thread.
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I have no clue what point you are trying to drive here. If you are an IT guy with PhD degree, and I try to compete with you professionally while me being BA in arts with some knowledge of programming; should I get same respect as you
The difference, my friend, is that the knowledge is highly technical and there are institutions with standaradized curriculum and standards of competency that award those degrees. The degree assures the employer that the person has acquired the knowledge necessary for the job. Can you acquire the knowledge independent of the degree? Most definitely. Some of the hackers are more knowledgeable than some of the IT people.
Religious knowledge is not technical in nature and can be acquired by enough study and dedication. Again, ulema should show why a certain argument is invalid but should not dismiss the person outright. Don’t call them maulana or mufti but don’t just dismiss them out of hand.
Is there any textbook in Germany which teaches the history of Pakistan and its division or stories of Muslim lives lost during partition or pre-partition struggle?
@Monk. That was a great piece of info. Disagree with your later post re prioritizing. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Everything should be taught.
All I know is history curriculum in desh sucked several decades ago. And I am worse off for it. I don’t understand this defensiveness re Jewish history. That should be taught also. A no brainer.
Interesting point. My view is that most religious “scholars” are a joke, and call me arrogant, but I can reason for or against religion better than they can, so why should I listen to them? Because they have trivial knowledge? 1,000 years ago that was impressive, nowadays a child can find anything on the internet.
However, you make a great point. I would like to see all ulema’s be required to get a PhD in Philosophy, at a minimum. Training as a psychiatrist would be great too. It would require them to be engaged in all forms of thought, and most of these chumps would bomb out simply because of the academic requirements. It would greatly prepare them to be able to advise people on, what are often, very serious topics.
Children should be educated on all topics, a revelation to some in here, but it’s true. The reason for bringing up the Holocaust is obvious: many Muslims have an obvious anti-Semitic bias. If you mention that Israel should learn about the partition, I wouldn’t disagree.
I don’t think its taught in Pakistan as part of curriculum for matric/of levels, maybe in A level history they might teach it. I found out about it from reading the diary of Anne frank
