TATA in Columbia! why not Pakistan & BD?

[burqaposhx]

... other than the degree to which religion is taken, I think the values of poor and middle-class Indians and Pakistanis are IMO very much alike. So then, what is the difference when it comes to business climate? Has to be the religious extremism right?

Rio example was a contrasting one to begin with and no one can COPY other cities for obvious reasons (social, cultural, and historic).

Being tourist friendly means just that i.e. accommodating the needs and wishes of your guests under the given circumstances.

Besides Rio, there are several hundred examples. Take the case of Dubai. They serve Islamically halal food AND haram food. They allowed a casino, and when Mullahs balked, they told them to $hut up and pointed to the huge mosque build on the other side of town.

And an average dubai Arab is hardly known to be "party animal:, and still the humble and accommodating approach makes Dubai a very good destination for the people around the world.

For Pakistanis Dubai is a destination to find work, but for Westerners it is a fun place to be.

The bottom line is that Karachi CAN find its niche in the tourist market, and it doesn't have to be a ditto copy of Rio, Dubai, or Mumbai.

The basic requirements are not "partying", but unique ways to be "tourist friendly".

[Aimless_Wonder]

Re: TATA in Columbia! why not Pakistan & BD?

^ agree

[Med911]

@burqaposhx

I think you have a point but having hard time describing it.

So here is a different take on what you are trying to say.

1. Pakistan (like Many countries) have its share of extremists.

----- True

1. Then you assert that "Pakistan's extremists are exaggerated".

---- That's true but the rationale you may give (or have in your mind) for this exaggeration is faulty.

Perhaps there is a point number 3.

1. The extremism in Pakistan gets exaggerated, because the peaceful part of Pakistanis do not express themselves fully.

In other words, extremists are doing their job like extremists do.

However

Are the peaceful Pakistanis are doing their job of presenting Pakistan as a fun loving, peaceful place where anyone of any color, race, or religion is welcome.

People can have their food the way they like, and drink whatever they like as long as they do not hurt other Pakistanis or fellow travelers.

May be then as Paks, we should start looking at and questioning the non-extremists Pakistanis and ask "What have you done lately to create a positive, friendly, humble, image of Pakistan"?

For example,

Rio has more shanty towns and in much worse crime condition than Karachi.

And Still,

People salivate with the thought of going to Rio for vacation,

But the same is not true for Karachi.

So perhaps we should not blame the poor and the criminals of Karachi.

Instead the

blame goes to the educated elite of Karachi that they utterly failed to make Karachi a 100 times better destination compared to Rio for tourism and trade.

Fair enough... My point was that the problem ultimately stems from the fact that those in the position of marketing Pakistan in a positve manner have utterly failed in doing so, up to now...
(Although, you cant blame them completely either as much of the bad press is due to it being a Muslim country, and Muslims tend to have bad PR in the West by default.)
Extremism is not the catalyst for the lack of investment, its bad PR and bad marketing.

[burqaposhx]

Fair enough.....

Thank you.

...Muslims tend to have bad PR in the West by default. ..

I'd say that

"Bad lands tend to have bad PR".

If Muslims behave like the ones from dubai, parts of malaysia, parts of Turkey then they have a good PR.

If on the other hand Muslims behave like the ones form Congo, Liberia, North Korea, Zimbabwe, then the PR cannot be good.

If our character is good and sophisticated, then everyone will respect us.

otherwise we'll be considered uncouth and uncivilized and hence the bad PR.

[dhanya_podena]

Burqa,

Rio has been a tourist destination for decades, Karachi never was. Part of this is due to the Latin culture, which has a host festivals and is an interesting mix of southern European, indigenous and African. Goa has the same mix in Asia. The infrastructure in Latin America is much better, having been to Mexico, trust me there roads put us or for that matter the Indians to shame.

Pakistanis are simply not "party animals". Secondly, the Pakistan government is not interested in foreign investment, perhaps with the exception of the Ayoub and Musharaf periods. Pakistani diplomatic missions overseas are a joke. Things might start changing if the Pakistan elite have a change of heart. But until they get their free money from the Yanks, nothing is happening.

A question for the Indians, if Pakistan invited Indian investors, would they come.

Agree 100%

Known quite a few of them and they are absoluety useless.

[picoico]

Thank you.

I'd say that

"Bad lands tend to have bad PR".

If Muslims behave like the ones from dubai, parts of malaysia, parts of Turkey then they have a good PR.

If on the other hand Muslims behave like the ones form Congo, Liberia, North Korea, Zimbabwe, then the PR cannot be good.

If our character is good and sophisticated, then everyone will respect us.

otherwise we'll be considered uncouth and uncivilized and hence the bad PR.

If you respect yourself, you really don't need the respect of others. And that is a hallmark of "good character". Unfortunately, Muslims like to behave when abroad, and as soon as they're home, any established rule becomes for low-class "others".

[Med911]

Thank you.

I'd say that

"Bad lands tend to have bad PR".

If Muslims behave like the ones from dubai, parts of malaysia, parts of Turkey then they have a good PR.

If on the other hand Muslims behave like the ones form Congo, Liberia, North Korea, Zimbabwe, then the PR cannot be good.

If our character is good and sophisticated, then everyone will respect us.

otherwise we'll be considered uncouth and uncivilized and hence the bad PR.

My point was that Muslims in Pakistan dont generally behave badly. They are simply lumped together with the bad Muslims. Dubai is a marketing miracle, not necessarily a product of Muslims behaving themselves.

[burqaposhx]

My point was that Muslims in Pakistan dont generally behave badly. They are simply lumped together with the bad Muslims. ...

Pakistani "Muslims" law enforcement and civil groups have utterly failed to control our extremists.

And thus we are all lumped together.

If we had huge peace rallies with every attack on a foreign diplomatic mission,
or mountains of flowers for any foreigner / Pakistani killed by terrorists,
then the rest of the world would have differentiated between the bad ones and the good ones.

So far the "good Pakistanis" are silent,

And

Silence is mostly interpreted as "support" it is not correct but this the way the world goes.

And quit that Muslim vs. non-Muslim labeling.

In Pakistan we are in the same boat as our non-Muslim brothers.

The more we emphasize on our Muslimness, the more we get lumped with the tribals and despots of the Middle East. Remember the man is known by the company he keeps.

If we don't want to get tagged as a bank robber, then we should not walk in the streets with the known bank robbers.

If we want to get tagged as a peaceful, lawful person/nation, then find all the peaceful and lawful groups/nations and walk with them instead.

Then soon the world will recognize us as a good citizen/nation.

p.s.

For some reason we forget that our parents always taught us the do's and don'ts about our friends' type. They always said make the friends who are most sophisticated, educated, and forward looking. Why would they do that? because they were worried about family name getting spoiled if you picked up the wrong kind of friends.

Why then we refuse that Pakistan as a nation should have friends based on the same criteria that our parents taught us.

[Navtech]

Pakistani "Muslims" law enforcement and civil groups have utterly failed to control our extremists.

And thus we are all lumped together.

If we had huge peace rallies with every attack on a foreign diplomatic mission, or mountains of flowers for any foreigner / Pakistani killed by terrorists, then the rest of the world would have differentiated between the bad ones and the good ones.

So far the "good Pakistanis" are silent,

And

Silence is mostly interpreted as "support" it is not correct but this the way the world goes.

And quit that Muslim vs. non-Muslim labeling.

In Pakistan we are in the same boat as our non-Muslim brothers.

The more we emphasize on our Muslimness, the more we get lumped with the tribals and despots of the Middle East. Remember the man is known by the company he keeps.

If we don't want to get tagged as a bank robber, then we should not walk in the streets with the known bank robbers.

If we want to get tagged as a peaceful, lawful person/nation, then find all the peaceful and lawful groups/nations and walk with them instead.

Then soon the world will recognize us as a good citizen/nation.

p.s.

For some reason we forget that our parents always taught us the do's and don'ts about our friends' type. They always said make the friends who are most sophisticated, educated, and forward looking. Why would they do that? because they were worried about family name getting spoiled if you picked up the wrong kind of friends.

Why then we refuse that Pakistan as a nation should have friends based on the same criteria that our parents taught us.

can't believe...this kinds of pakistanis do exist......???

any way, well said bro..

[burqaposhx]

can't believe...this kinds of pakistanis do exist......???

any way, well said bro..

Thank you for your kind comments.

You must travel to Pakistan to see the silent majority of Pakistanis. You will find love, respect, and lots of great food (vegetarian if you so desire).

Many posters here live in the US/UK so they can afford to be extremists and not worry about making a living. So do not take them as a true sample of Pakistanis.