“Indeed the people of Truth and the Sunnah do not follow anyone [unconditionally] except the messenger of Allaah SAW, the one who does not speak from his desires - it is only revelation revealed to him.”
So should we follow the Ulemas in Pak unconditionally.
Re: Taqleed
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"Indeed the people of Truth and the Sunnah do not follow anyone [unconditionally] except the messenger of Allaah SAW, the one who does not speak from his desires - it is only revelation revealed to him."
So should we follow the Ulemas in Pak unconditionally.
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Researching interpretations from ulema is actually encouraged. IMHO the requirement is that you follow some aalim's ruling. This is to ensure that people dont make arbitrary, ill-informed interpretations from the Quran.
From Ayatolla Seestani's website:
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Subject: : Taqleed
Assalamun Alaikum,
Is it permissible to do taqleed of more than one mujtahid at the same time? For instance, can a person follow the rulings of Ayatullah Seestani regarding prayer but follow the rulings of Ayatullah Khamenei on financial transactions? Or does a person have to choose one mujtahid and follow all of his rulings?
Assalamun Alaikum,
Dear brother,
It is permissible to do taqleed of more than one mujtahid, and it is when you find the first mujtahid most learned for example in questions regarding worship such as praying fasting pilgrimage and so on, and the second mujtahid most learned in financial transactions.This is an admired method that every wise man selects in his daily affairs Best regards,
Yazdani
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Researching interpretations from ulema is actually encouraged. IMHO the requirement is that you follow some aalim's ruling. This is to ensure that people dont make arbitrary, ill-informed interpretations from the Quran.
From Ayatolla Seestani's website:
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I guess i have the same point. That follow different Alims.
Do not be a blind follower(Taqleed) of say Maulana Thanvi.
Or Madudi sahab. We can look at different Fatwas. But only of those
Alims who give preference to Sunnah and his(SAW) companions.
take care
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I guess i have the same point. That follow different Alims.
Do not be a blind follower(Taqleed) of say Maulana Thanvi.
Or Madudi sahab. We can look at different Fatwas. But only of those
Alims who give preference to Sunnah and his(SAW) companions.
take care
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:P reference?
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:P reference?
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What do you mean by reference.
take care
By the way, I've heard the word 'taqleed' used only by Shias. Taqleed of a person is almost necessary among them. Most shias follow Ayatollah Seestani of Najaf, while others follow other 'vali e faqih' also, like Ayatollah Khamenei, etc.
What is the difference in following either Maulana Thanvi or Maulana Maudoodi?
Believes (aaqaid) and Faqh’ (Law, Pracitices, Jurisdictions) are two different things.
There is no Taqleed of non-Masoom (neither conditional nor unconditional) in Aaqaid (believes). We(shia) do Taqleed of Prophet Muhammad and 12 imams (Masoomeens) in our Aaqaid as well as in our Practices. We don’t do Taqleed of Sahaba, Tabaeen and tabatabaeen (non-Masoomeens) in our Aaqaid.
For both Mujtahid and a non-Mujtahid, Taqleed is Haram in Aaqid accept Masoomeen.
For a non-Mujtahid, Taqleed of a Mujtahid is Wajib in Faqh’ (Practices) like getting guideline of a Doctor or an engineer because they are experts in their profession.
In Aaqaid most of the Ahle Sunnah are Aashari; They follow Abu Musa Aashari. Whereas some Ahle Sunnah are of Motazli thought. These classification were made way back about 1200 years ago.
In Ahle Sunnah wal Jammat there is no more Ijthaad in Fiqah, however Jamiya tul Azhar in Egypt tried to open it again in the begining of last century. There were 4 imams about 1200 years ago to interpret the Fiqh of Islam. However in Shia the door of Ijtihaad is not closed. At present age there are many Mujtahid to interpret of Fiqh. In Shias Muqlid can only start Taqleed of a live Mujtahid not a deceased Mujtadid like Ahle Sunnah brothers Do.
For little more detail please read my next post, thanks.
inuit
TAqleed is also an important concept in sunnis…we say that it is encouraged to follow fiqah of a particular imam like imam hanafi or shfai…
however no one says that u must hadrat thanvi ruling on hanafis u can follow another aalim if u like
Assalam Aleekum
Why are you using Hazrat with Janab Thanvi Sahab.
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By the way, I've heard the word 'taqleed' used only by Shias. Taqleed of a person is almost necessary among them. Most shias follow Ayatollah Seestani of Najaf, while others follow other 'vali e faqih' also, like Ayatollah Khamenei, etc.
What is the difference in following either Maulana Thanvi or Maulana Maudoodi?
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Assalam Aleekum
As far as i am concerned.I read the literature of different scholars as long as they do not try to encroach on Sunnah i-e scholars introducing
their own FORMULAS.
I have read Understanding Islam by Maudodi Sahab. Its a widely
read book by people who want to convert to Islam. And his other
work "Introduction to koran" is excellent. Introduction read karke
ekk solid background miltaa haa. Although some of his books are
controversial.
Achaa, i mentioned Thanvi Sahab b/c unke blind followers app ko milenge. Few days ago i visited a website Albalagh. Mufti Taqi Usmani
sahab ke he. I like his fatwas. And than i clicked on his lecture
"Introduction to Tasufwuf". Spelling is wrong. sorry.
Kher, in his lecture he used so much love and respect when he
talked about Thanvi sahab. That he is Hazrat Thanvi (Rahmat ullahelahe).Why. And than he said name of Holy Prophet(SAW).
Buhat speed se name leyee. Properly name nahee leye.
And as far as i know Thanvi sahab is Taweez kind of Maulvi.
Although people say that his Tafseer his excellent.
Yeah, one more scholar Ibn Baaz Sahab. sulafee champion.
His work about Aqeeda(fatwas) is excellent. Lekn some of his
work is tainted with Siasaat.Lekn still he is knowledgeable.
Kissa Mukhtasir, blind following is unacceptable.BY ME.
Brother Bao
So you agree THAT there are ONLY 4 school of thoughts in Islam(sunnah). And They(4 Imams) agree on major issues.
And 5th one who try to follow 4 of them.
lekn SOME OF THEIR FATWAS can be challenged. And i repeat
not on MAJOR ISSUES.
Another point is FROM THESE DEOBAND, SUFIS and BERELVIS
came from.
Hanafis, Shafies, Malikis and Hanbalis make sense to me.
Lekn Deobandis, Sufis , naqshbandis and this and that
doesn’t make sense to me.These anomalies, where did they came
from.
then why r all the sunni scholars perpetually issuing fatwas of all sorts??? 
In Aaqaid most of the Ahle Sunnah are Aashari; They follow Abu Musa Aashari. Whereas some Ahle Sunnah are of Motazli thought. These classification were made way back about 1200 years ago.
Dear Intuit
Who are these 2 people. Ashari and Motazli.
Mujh ko Shia name lag raheee heee.
Their names are not Sunni sounding.
And Intuit do you have a MASTERS degree in copy paste.
Just checking.
Yes there r only 4 schol of thought in ahle sunnah…
2-deoband and brelvis r local school of thought which disagree on certain issues…both r keen followers of imam hanafi…
3-Sufi…what do u mean by sufis…
NAqashbandis and chishtis and others r not any different school of thought rather they r present in both deoband s and brelvis though they differ in certain issues like URS, samm’a etc…
Assalam Aleekum
Here you go. Imam Hanafi was A FOLLOWER of Prophet Muhammad(SAW). and Deobands and Berelvis are followers of Imam Hanifa.
AND common people are following DEOBAND and Berelvis.
According to you local school of thought. KIA. KIA. Help me YA AllAH, plz.
Just to let you know chistiya and Naqsbadis are SUFISM , part of these
2 anomalies i-e deobands and berelvis.(kuch mistake hu sakta he is sentence me).THEY give precedence to TAREEQAT over SHARIAT.
Kia Sunnah kum par gayee ke LOCAL SCHOOL OF Thought bhe introduce
hugayee. SUB turf JANGS he.
as far as schools r concerend they r JUST INTERPRETAIONS of imam haneefa,…if u dont,like …directly follow imam haneefa…
brelvess and deobandis differ here in tareqat…
deobandis say tareeqat is nothing but shareeat…and some brelvee ulema say or believe otherwise…
forthem kashf and karamat r evidence of some ones wilayet…deobandis say that unless some one follows sunnah …he can not be a wali …(with wali i mean wali ul lah)
dont get confused..brother…
NAHE. I AM NOT CONFUSED. WHY GIVE SHARIAT ANOTHER NAME.
WHY DO YOU WE NEED THIS AND THAT.
EITHER PROPHET(SAW) MESSAGE WAS NOT ADEQUATE
OR MAYBE THESE “LOCAL SCHOOL OF THOUGHTS” KNOW MORE
THAN HIM(SAW).
MUJH KO TABLEEHGI IJTAMAA BHE PASAND NAHEE.
YOU KNOW WHY. ME YEH FEEL KARTAA HU KE YEH
HAJJ KE IJTIMAH KA MUKABLA KARNA CHA RAHEE HEE.
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Dear Intuit
Who are these 2 people. Ashari and Motazli.
Mujh ko Shia name lag raheee heee.
Their names are not Sunni sounding.
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u never heard of Abu Moosa Ash'ari (ra)....
he's a well known companion of the Prophet (saw)....
he was also the negotiator chosen by Ali (ra) during the battle with Muaweyah (ra) when they decided to discuss the matters between themselves....
Amar bin Al-aas (ra) was the negotiator from Muaweyah (ra)....
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
u never heard of Abu Moosa Ash'ari (ra)....
he's a well known companion of the Prophet (saw)....
he was also the negotiator chosen by Ali (ra) during the battle with Muaweyah (ra) when they decided to discuss the matters between themselves....
Amar bin Al-aas (ra) was the negotiator from Muaweyah (ra)....
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Nope. Never heard of HIM(RA).
Lekn Name Shiaz ka ha.
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Nope. Never heard of HIM(RA).
Lekn Name Shiaz ka ha.
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I hope this helps. He is one of he great Imams of Ahlul Sunnah wa Jama'ah.
Abul Hasan Ash'ari is 'Ali ibn Isma'il ibn Ishaq, Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari, the Imam of Ahl al-Sunna in tenets of faith, born in Basra in 260/874. A descendant of the Companion Abu Musa al-Ash'ari, he was a Shafi'i scholar and the founder of the school of tenets of faith that bears his name and reflects his powerful intellect and profound knowledge of the Holy Koran and hadith.
Imam Ibn Hajar Haytami has defined Sunni Muslims (Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama'a) as "those who follow Abul Hasan Ash'ari and Abu Mansur Maturidi, the two Imams of Ahl al-Sunna." The substantive differences between the two Imams amount to about six questions, though because the scholars of Maturidi school were mainly confined to the lands beyond the Qxus before the Mongol depredation, and decimated thereafter, the Ash'ari school has been the standard-bearer for the faith of Sunni Islam for most of its history.
Originally educated in the school of Mu'tazilites, Imam Ash'ari saw the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in a dream three times one Ramadan, who told him, "O 'Ali, support the positions that have been transmitted from me, for they are the truth," after which he abandoned the Mu'tazilites and became the champion of Islamic orthodoxy as embodied in the Koran and hadith, defending it alike from the danger of image-worship by interpreting the divine attributes anthropomorphically, and the danger of denying the positive significance of the attributes of Allah and the life of the hereafter by explaining them away.
Imam Ash'ari did not give figurative interpretations (ta'wil) to problematic expressions of divine attributes, but rather urged they be accepted as they have come without saying how they are meant, while affirming that Allah is absolutely beyond any likeness to created things; though later members of his school did give such interpretations in rebuttal of anthropomorphists, preserving the faith of Islam from their innovations in the same spirit and with the same dedication that the Imam had preserved it before them by his rebuttals of the Mu'tazilites. He authored nearly three hundred books and treatises on all aspects of the faith of Ahl al-Sunna, and died in Baghdad in 324/936.