A country where an Autocratic, authoritarian despot rules with iron hands last 30 plus years is not criticised here that really amuses me.
I wonder what the starter of this thread thinks about Husni Mubarak and his reign of last 30 years whilst his sun waiting to switch the seat!!?? Do you justify his rule?
Even Al Azhar University is dictated by Mubarak and his cronies so whatever comes out of Al Azar i do not take serious. Egypt is second or third receiver of US aid so no wonder that Egyps is a puppy of USA for last 30 years and will do everything to please his masters.
Again think o you simple souls. What are ur objectives??? U want to empower the women or not? I am also not pro Niqaab i think its not obligatory in Islam but many think otherwise and as long as they don't HURT anybody who the hell are u or me to tell then not to wear niqaab!!!
More outrage over secular governments yet little outrage over so-called "Islamic" governments. Come back when you complain about the Taliban and the Muslim Brotherhood with the same veracity as you do towards Mubarak.
More outrage over secular governments yet little outrage over so-called "Islamic" governments. Come back when you complain about the Taliban and the Muslim Brotherhood with the same veracity as you do towards Mubarak.
So in your eyes Sadam Hussain should not have been removed?
he was not religious!!
In your eyes authoreterian despot and someone who kills and opresses his people /naiton is justifies as long as he is liberal
wow
masha Allah lolz
u do really amuse me did u know that
You also forget to note that these niqabi converts often support the Taliban and were instrumental in the support for Lal Masjid. I'm sure many people here support the right of niqabis who participated in the Lal Masjid protests 2 years ago, right?
Egypt is second or third receiver of US aid so no wonder that Egyps is a puppy of USA for last 30 years and will do everything to please his masters.
Such as? What has Egypt ever done for the US? 30 years. What happened 30 years ago? The Egypt aid package was created after the Arabs offered an aid package to Egypt. The difference is the Arab package was conditioned on Egypt not making peace; the American package was created to offset the Arab offer in order to encourage a peace deal. As a condition of the Camp David Accords Egypt automatically gets 2/3 of what Israel gets.
Egypt received a lot of aid from the USSR--and then it kicked the USSR out of the country in the early 70's. How could a "puppy" do that? When Rice spoke out on human rights and democracy in Egypt how did the "puppy" react?
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In Holland and Belgium where Muslim population is (together) about 2 million,
only 300 (max) wear niqaab yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees not more.
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300 out of 2 million? Yeah right...
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Humanrights violation does also include womens rights violations mate
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Then read the Organization of Islamic Conference's Declaration on Human Rights. The whole world adheres to the UN Declaration except for the Islamic world. Why? The biggest difference between the OIC's "human rights" and the rest of the world's is the OIC does not believe in gender equality.
As to the original topic, if women want to dress up like ninjas it is their right; so long as thugs do not force women to do it there is no problem.
As an aside, notice how the Islamist agenda is always about covering the hair of women and their bodies? Why aren't men told to do the same? Oh yeah--read the OIC Declaration...
Such as? What has Egypt ever done for the US? 30 years. What happened 30 years ago? The Egypt aid package was created after the Arabs offered an aid package to Egypt. The difference is the Arab package was conditioned on Egypt not making peace; the American package was created to offset the Arab offer in order to encourage a peace deal. As a condition of the Camp David Accords Egypt automatically gets 2/3 of what Israel gets.
Egypt received a lot of aid from the USSR--and then it kicked the USSR out of the country in the early 70's. How could a "puppy" do that? When Rice spoke out on human rights and democracy in Egypt how did the "puppy" react?
300 out of 2 million? Yeah right...
Well its easy to say YEAH RIGHT
:)
but i am talking about hard figures
given by the Dutch organisations
What is your prove how many are there?
i am waiting???
Then read the Organization of Islamic Conference's Declaration on Human Rights. The whole world adheres to the UN Declaration except for the Islamic world. Why? The biggest difference between the OIC's "human rights" and the rest of the world's is the OIC does not believe in gender equality.
As to the original topic, if women want to dress up like ninjas it is their right; so long as thugs do not force women to do it there is no problem.
As an aside, notice how the Islamist agenda is always about covering the hair of women and their bodies? Why aren't men told to do the same? Oh yeah--read the OIC Declaration...
Well OIC can do and say whatever they want i do not believe in OIC
i believe in Islam i believe in Quran and in Quran there is gender equility :)
Such as? What has Egypt ever done for the US? 30 years. What happened 30 years ago? The Egypt aid package was created after the Arabs offered an aid package to Egypt. The difference is the Arab package was conditioned on Egypt not making peace; the American package was created to offset the Arab offer in order to encourage a peace deal. As a condition of the Camp David Accords Egypt automatically gets 2/3 of what Israel gets.
Egypt received a lot of aid from the USSR--and then it kicked the USSR out of the country in the early 70's. How could a "puppy" do that? When Rice spoke out on human rights and democracy in Egypt how did the "puppy" react?
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It was Isreal who did occupy mate not the other way around
u say Egypt received alot of aid and how much was that aid?
USSR was giving lot of aid to ohter countriees but USA is the second largest aid giver to Egypt after Isreal.
Again NOT a single word u mention about the dictator who is ooooo so liberal that under his regime hundreds of thousands of people have dissapeared and even humanrights organisations of whom u have mouth full of in your comment even they condemn Mubarak lolz
I don't live there so I will defer to you but it seems an extremely low number. In the US you will see niqabs every now and then in major cities so for there to be only 300 such individuals in the Netherlands is odd, but again that is a different country with a different immigration mix, namely more of a North Africa/Middle Eastern mix whereas here there is a more globalized mix of Muslims.
I don't live there so I will defer to you but it seems an extremely low number. In the US you will see niqabs every now and then in major cities so for there to be only 300 such individuals in the Netherlands is odd, but again that is a different country with a different immigration mix, namely more of a North Africa/Middle Eastern mix whereas here there is a more globalized mix of Muslims.
Well hellooooo
mr. Reason please wake up
what do you mean: is seeeeeeeeems to me this it seeeeeems to me that.
Don't u get it no one is interested in what you think its about "facts" not daydreaming and what you think is true.
the whole issue is concentrated in Western Europe so duhhhh
how can you ignore Holland just because you do not have any anwser to give lolz
I don't live there so I will defer to you but it seems an extremely low number. In the US you will see niqabs every now and then in major cities so for there to be only 300 such individuals in the Netherlands is odd, but again that is a different country with a different immigration mix, namely more of a North Africa/Middle Eastern mix whereas here there is a more globalized mix of Muslims.
hayee Allah mein mar jaanwaan
you poor innocent innnocent soul
do i have to correct you again????
:)
You said:
"Different migration mix with namely more of a North Africa/Middle Eastern mix whereas here there is a more globalized mix of Muslims.????????????"
Well to correct you mr. Reason, Most immigrants In Holland are from Suriname, Turky and then Morocco and East European. I really think u should realise that what you think and make up is not relevant here but u can't even reason with yourself. :)
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It was Isreal who did occupy mate not the other way around
u say Egypt received alot of aid and how much was that aid?
USSR was giving lot of aid to ohter countriees but USA is the second largest aid giver to Egypt after Isreal.
Again NOT a single word u mention about the dictator who is ooooo so liberal that under his regime hundreds of thousands of people have dissapeared and even humanrights organisations of whom u have mouth full of in your comment even they condemn Mubarak lolz
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I missed this earlier.
What relevance does who the occupier was have? Israel occupied Sinai and that was part of the reason Egypt made peace with it. The Arabs, Saudi Arabia chiefly but others like Iraq, were offering billions to bribe Egypt to not sign a peace agreement (because Egypt is the most important Arab military power and they knew that without Egypt their dreams of conquering Israel were gone).
Egypt's aid package is pegged to being roughly 2/3 of whatever Israel gets.
Egypt was pro-Soviet until 1973 when it kicked the USSR out. Then the US stepped in and after 79' began giving large amounts if money to it. Like it did with that superpower it can kick the US out whenever it wishes. Indeed, one prominent American foreign policy commentator, former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brezinski, has warned the US risks being expelled from the Middle East if present trends continue like the USSR was expelled from Egypt.
I oppose this law. You seem to think I support it. I personally think the niqab is a symbol of female subservience--notice that Islamists do not require similar type of clothing for men--but I believe in liberty and if someone wants to wear it that is their right. The only exceptions are where it creates threats to the public order, such as women wearing them when taking photos for driver's licenses. Other than that they should be allowed to work, go to school, go to shops with it if they wish (well, if their Islamist husband allows them to work or go to school!).
Mubarak is a thug; I don't support him. He may be secular but he is no liberal. Liberals believe in liberty, democracy, and social justice.
Or maybe because they are wearing them due to fear by Islamic extremists?
it clearly shows that how ignorant u r from islamic culture and shariah ..........
beside ur observation is so shallow ...........
tell u one thing this is principle of shariah and not a showbiz topic so please be careful while expressing ur views. as u havent provide ne reason how observing purdah affects u adversely.
newayz what ur relegion say about observing purdah and modesty.
Niqab is not fardh but it doesn't mean that It has nothing to do with Islam. Niqab is a form of hijab and it becomes necessary to wear it in some places.